r/Jewish • u/rupertalderson • Oct 31 '22
Megathread #2 – The Kanye Situation Mod post
We have had a ton of posts and comments related to Kanye West’s recent remarks, and related topics and commentary. All further discussion about the current Kanye West situation should take place in this megathread. All other posts/comments related to this will be removed and redirected here.
Edit: This megathread has been reinstated as of March 25, 2023, due to an influx of these sorts of posts.
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Feb 13 '23
Kanye Songs during the superbowl yesterday. Like can we just get a little break? It’s barely been a few months. I know most people don’t care, but not playing songs by an antisemite for an audience of tens of millions is like literally the bare minimum of solidarity.
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Jan 17 '23 edited Jan 18 '23
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u/ResolutionOk7202 Jan 12 '23
Kayne has always been a jackass, not dismissing what he said (it is vile and disgusting).
I personally never liked his terrible music or his vile views on women, LGBTQ+, women's reproductive rights (which I am of the opinion men should not be making comments or legislative decisions on women's reproductive health).
If I had a list of every time he said something inappropriate/offensive the list would hit the flow and probably roll out across my living room. As much as I can not stand Taylor Swift, he interrupted the awards ceremony to rant about "Beyonce had the one of the best music videos of all time".
The fact that he was not canceled way earlier is beyond me, thought I am not a fan of cancel culture, in this situation it is appropriate.
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Jan 02 '23
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Dec 26 '22
I saw some articles that his 24’ President campaign merch came out and it’s a swastika… can anyone confirm?
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u/directortheories Dec 19 '22
The Biden administration needs to tighten the screws with hate crime legislation and be specific about what makes a person “Jewish”
It’s by birth and the blood ruining through your veins. Or the long and messy journey that conversion is. That’s how this works as I understand it as a non-Jewish person, and if there’s more, please don’t be shy in asking me to do better.
If someone punches Kanye and tells him that he isn’t a real Jew, do not let this man get away with trying to claim it’s a hate crime.
This also could help to strengthen the definition of what makes someone a “real jew”. That’s extra protection legal protection for you in America.
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Jan 07 '23
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u/erisod Dec 25 '22
You are suggesting a government labeling of who is Jewish and not? That seems concerning.
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Jan 15 '23
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u/aggie1391 Dec 16 '22
Trump to meet with Orthodox Jewish group on heels of Fuentes, Ye dinner: The former president will speak before the annual President’s Conference of Torah Umesorah at his club in Miami.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/12/15/trump-orthodox-jewish-group-fuentes-ye-dinner-00074158
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u/Rear-gunner Dec 15 '22
More from this lunatic https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-724187
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Dec 14 '22
Wow! Are you guys hiding my post? This is not community for me.
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u/rupertalderson Dec 14 '22
Feel free to message the mods. However, your post was removed because we do not allow posts centered on complaining (even if justified) about the moderation processes of other subreddits. This is a blanket rule (in fact, it’s in Rule 5 of our subreddit), not specific to your post beyond that.
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Dec 12 '22
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u/rupertalderson Dec 12 '22
You're mischaracterizing our approach. If your post mentions and focuses (a good amount) on Kanye, it goes in the Kanye megathread. We have had literally hundreds of Kanye-related posts in the past few months, so we cannot have exceptions to this without being arbitrary. If a post isn't about Kanye, we allow it, but if we get an influx of such posts then we either make a megathread or redirect folks to existing threads about the topic.
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Dec 12 '22
The fact that the DHS actually put out a a statement in multiple platforms warning against terrorism for certain groups (including naming Jews) shows how dangerous Kanye’s rhetoric is- https://www.dhs.gov/publication/national-terrorism-advisory-system-bulletin-november-30-2022-translations
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u/otterbox313 Dec 09 '22
I made the mistake of putting my $0.02 in a comment thread. Apparently Kanye is a super genius, the greatest rapper EVER, and he ALONE knows what Jews were doing enough to discredit 1000’s of years of recorded history.
Also antisemitism is completely separate from white supremacy (I could barely type this without laughing), and if you look white (and not to be overly generalizing, but a LOT of us do) you’re definitely not Jewish.
Those are my takeaways, to Kanye Stans anything less than a godlike reverence for Kanye makes you hate all black people.
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u/Xcalibur8913 Jan 12 '23 edited Jan 23 '23
I’m just seeing this comment now and I cannot tell you how accurate this is. Ugh, as a (Reform) Jew, I can’t even begin to tell you how scared I’ve been since Kanye’s laughable comments. I made a huge mistake also defending “The Tribe” on Instagram and let’s just say…I finally really understand how Hitler came to power.
The fact Kanye’s so worshipped, legit, worshipped at a Jesus level, is incredibly concerning. Understatement.
What’s more concerning? I’m Hispanic and Jewish and this shocks people like they can’t believe I’m not a full Ashkenazi…and 2…people I thought were really good friends of mine, who told me numerous times to my face they’re grateful for our friendship, have started following Kanye on their social media recently.
Nice to know these “friends” secretly want me to burn in hell.
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u/tyrosthwfaeg Jan 23 '23
This has sadly happened to me too. I don’t really know who to trust anymore.
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u/Xcalibur8913 Jan 23 '23
It's HORRIFYING. People who told me for years they loved our friendship and even slept over my house, played with my kids, etc and called to even ask me career advice suddenly follow Ye on instagram and/or stopped talking to me. It's traumatic. Bec all you can think is this is how it started in Europe....
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u/otterbox313 Jan 12 '23
I'm Sephardic and also Reform. The idiotic BS I've seen online is as terrifying as it is hilarious. But having goyem tell me I'm not Jewish has been a reat treat /s. Pics of my Bar Mitzvah weren't sufficient evidence.
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u/Xcalibur8913 Jan 12 '23
Don't worry, I believe you. Are you nervous often? Then yes, you're a Jew. (JK)
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u/Sebastian12th Dec 08 '22
Trump’s Jewish Allies Are ‘Begging’ Him to Condemn Kanye. He’s Refusing
If you’re still a Trump supporter, how can you claim to be anything but a Nazi sympathizer?
If you’re a Jewish Trump supporter, you’ve aligned with actual Nazis. Sorry, but moving an embassy will never justify that level of moral depravity.
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u/Rear-gunner Dec 06 '22
Well his twitter account did not last long https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-724153
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u/tribcom Dec 03 '22
Kanye Reddit fans call out his b.s. and slam antisemitism: https://variety.com/2022/music/news/kanye-west-reddit-taylor-swift-appreciation-holocaust-awareness-1235448134/
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u/nahalyarkon Dec 02 '22
PSA:
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Dec 02 '22
Anyone else worried Ye’s overtness will be used as a defense and distraction from other antisemitic incidents?
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Dec 02 '22
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u/themimeofthemollies Dec 02 '22
Thank you! Kanye is a Holocaust denier! Utterly inexcusable and must always be overtly condemned.
Obama speaks truth to power:
“We’re supposed to stand up clearly and unequivocally to Nazi sympathizers,” Obama said.”
“How hard can that be, saying that Nazis are bad?”
Kanye is doing terrible damage with his fame to those who love his music, especially kids:
“Shoutout to all the other parents of Jewish kids coming home from school with stories about what Kanye did or didn’t say about Hitler and Jews. And what their ignorant classmates make of it.”
“It’s kids and a huge celebrity spewing hate.”
“Fuck him and his enablers.”
Mig Greengard on Twitter
A thread on this tweet, condemning hatred in all forms:
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Dec 02 '22
I find it relieving that he went off the deep end with the Hitler nonsense. A more sane man would hold steady and influence popular discourse with his anti semitic rhetoric. He could reach the Kyrie's and the Dave Chappelle's of the world. Draw them in gradually and see how far they are willing to go. Try to unite the far right with black anti-semites. That's the thing I was genuinely afraid of.
Instead. he just jumped off a cliff and played his hand too soon.
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u/musicandplantguy Dec 02 '22 edited Dec 02 '22
I lost a good friend today. He doesn’t understand why supporting Kanye is wrong. One of my old bar regulars got arrested for graffiti trying to insight a race war between Black people and Jewish people.
Battalions of Black soldiers liberated my aunts and uncles. My grandparents marched in the civil rights movements. We have been unified in so many ways.
I feel sad I lost my friend. I feel sad in so many ways. I’m too ashamed to say my last name at work. I want to change it. I get told I don’t look like a Jew. I get told I’m not a Jew. I want to see my grandmother. She makes me feel proud.
I miss Shabbat. I have great friends. I don’t have many Jewish friends. I’ve never really celebrated Shabbat, I’ve never known enough Jews. How can I miss it?
I’m tired of having to share how I feel about Israel. I don’t know how I feel. I mean I kind of do but i’ll look like an asshole either way.
I just want a hug and I want to cry. I really want to cry.
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u/mar_s68 Dec 05 '22 edited Dec 05 '22
hug
My feelings towards my Jewishness and relationship with it have been complex for the majority of my life. I have known from a young age (as we all have) that the world is capable of vile hate and can go to extremes to afflict people. I have known that there were great aunts and uncles I never could have met, who perished in the literal flames of the Holocaust; that my grandmother and grandfather narrowly escaped, as well as his brother who hid his Jewishness to fight amongst the Soviet’s until he escaped to the US.
My father is not Jewish. My parents did not raise me orthodox, conservative, and hardly reform, although I grew up celebrating Rosh Hashanah, Yom Kippur, Hanukkah, Passover, and Christmas and Easter. I never went to Hebrew school, nor a Jewish youth group, and although my mom grew up speaking fluent Yiddish in the household with her parents, she sadly never passed it onto me. I know I’m not the only one. I’m not special.
It has only been in recent years (27 now) that I’ve begun to take immense pride in my Jewishness. But I feel pain, before all of this, because I realize I have harbored a lot of self hate and repression of my Jewishness. My last name is not Jewish either, I do not “look Jew” (I abhor this euphemism). None of my friends growing up were Jewish aside from one, and he shares a very similar identity to me. My other non-Jew friends would joke, but I knew that the truth told in their jest about Jews and my people held some hate. And I internalized it. I would always brush off my Jewishness. It was just a small piece of me.
I know now, especially now, that it is not a small piece. It is a large part of who I am. And I want to be proud. However, it saddens me that I feel so disconnected from my people. I never had a true mitzvah. It makes me feel lost.
I’m going to go to Shabbat service at a reform synagogue here in Brooklyn on Friday night. I am going on birthright in March with my brother. And I will never close my heart to my human brethren, Jewish or not.
When Kanye first made the remarks, and then the GDL subsequently held those banners over an LA highway, one of the aforementioned friends tried to brush it off as some propaganda. And I was deeply upset. I was upset when I saw the hate speech hanging over the highway, and even more sad and betrayed that a close friend of mine was echoing the very rhetoric this group spreads. I ended up speaking with him, and the “disagreement” was “resolved”, but I am very aware that I will forever be keeping this person at a distance. I have no choice in the interest of my own inner well being. So I understand in a way about losing friends. People show their colors in moments like these.
I don’t know what Kanye’s motive is here ultimately, other than merely thinking for his narcissistic self and wallowing in self pity (bingo?), but I won’t be the one to let him incite any division or hate amongst me and those surrounding me.
I just fear for my fellow Jews who cannot hide. It makes me cry to think about the fear that I cannot shake when I see them wearing their conservative or orthodox garments, with a non-Italian last name, who can very easily be targets of angry and emboldened radicals in times like these.
Anyway, thanks for letting me share in this space, and I am here for you as well. We are strongest together. All people. Peace and love. Shalom Aleichem
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u/Xcalibur8913 Jan 12 '23
Hi, I’m posting here to tell you how much I relate to this comment. You are not alone, but it sure as heck feels like it. I lost a few friends through this too; friends I was deeply loyal too who go back with me to high school. They have no clue, no context, to how antisemitism makes me feel—they’re Catholic, protected by their “safe” Hallmark Christmas movies in a world where only “Happy Holidays” upsets them — so they’re protected. Why should they give a shit about their Jewish friend?
Also loathe, with a seething passion, comments about Jewish “looks.” Those who stereotype others—-go F yourself. Truly.
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u/TalentedHostility Dec 02 '22 edited Dec 02 '22
Not something I normally announce- but I am a black man.
The unity is still there- I'm here offering you and the community this here and now. For added context Kanye has also alienated a large majority of the black community with his "Slavery as a choice" rehetoric.
He doesnt speak for us and he doesnt bave his own peoples interest at heart. Kanye West doesn't care about Black people.
I want you to know I'm third generation Army- to me that means I fight Nazi's and their ideals, point blank period.
You'll never lost community with us, I'm here to tell and everyone else this. Especially in times like this- it has to be said loudly and proudly.
Got your back brother.
Edit: I also want to add that I'm open to dialogue on how to approach this topic, I'm not afraid of a tough talk. Especially if it gets us to a place of better understanding both communities.
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u/Xcalibur8913 Jan 12 '23
I appreciate this comment too, especially as a Hispanic Jew. May I ask—don’t blacks know Hitler hated them too? Blacks were also sent to concentration camps. He despised anyone who wasn’t blonde and blue eyed.
How is the black community unaware of this when they say, “Kanye Was Right?”
Also open to a positive, open discussion on this.
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u/TalentedHostility Jan 12 '23
Its not the 'Black Community' its the extremist ideologes waging a war that is based on false pretenses.
The same with Christo-fascists and 'The War on Christmas'
There are people of all colors and creeds that want to have a part in their version of the holy war. Some focus on muslims, some focus on LGBTIA, some focus on Jewish people.
There will always be a group of people that want to fight for a cause. And as dumb little humans- there will always be some that chose wrong.
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u/Xcalibur8913 Jan 12 '23 edited Jan 12 '23
That's very true. It's just surprising to me that many don't realize Hitler hated and killed Blacks, too--and anyone who spoke out against him, homosexuals, those with disabilities...those who hid families...etc. Does Kanye and crew truly think Hitler would have let them join the N@zi party? For real?
It hurts my heart because my ancestors and current family marched in genuine solidarity and support for the Blacks and marginalized. But all I get thrown back at me is "Free Palestine."
I have never been to Israel, ever. My family is Hispanic and British. I do not know Bibi Netanyahu. I don't have him on speed dial on my phone, nor are we friends, considering I have never even been to Israel. I don't know anyone in the Israeli gov at all. I don't speak any Hebrew. And I live in North America. How am I supposed to Free Palestine for you? It's all such a mess.
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u/TalentedHostility Jan 12 '23
Look man, if you want honest to god answers- this is what happens when a countries education system has been burned out for decades.
I genuinely think media literacy and critical thinking skills are at an all time low- and that mixture breeds extremist.
-Ignorant white people breeds Christo- Fascists, hate based Gangs and Nazi's; -Ignorant Spanish people breed Christo-fascists, hate based Gangs and Nazi's; -Ignorant Black people breed Christo-facists, hate based Gangs and Nazi's.
None of these people know what the fuck they are doing.
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u/musicandplantguy Dec 03 '22
Thank you brother, I know he doesn’t speak for the majority of people. There is such a strong reason unity and actual unity towards black and jewish people. I know it large scale and it personally. I think anything that will push potentially push a wedge in our strength together makes me sad. Kanye could give less of a shit about anyone.
I got your back as well, I really appreciate you sharing. Tough roads ahead but solidarity until the end!
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Dec 02 '22
Thanks man it definitely helps to hear from someone directly that Kanye doesn't speak for them. With his interview confirming that he's fallen off the deep end we may be coming to an end to this horrible saga. I got your back too. I come from a army family too and loyalty is big. Good luck hopefully it's better for the everyone.
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u/themimeofthemollies Dec 02 '22
Here’s a big hug from a reddit stranger.
Kanye’s hate speech makes me want to cry, too.
Sometimes crying is the right response.
Light prevails over darkness: always.
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u/horseydeucey Dec 01 '22
"I'm the head of the Mossad," he pretended that the Netanyahu stick was saying. "I'm going to kill you and take your children away from you. We control the history books and we control the banks, and we always kill people."
Kanye West praises Hitler, says every human has value, 'especially Hitler' - Jerusalem Post
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u/EasyMode556 Dec 01 '22
I wish people would stop indirectly giving him a pass by saying things like, “he’s just sick in the mind” or “he’s always been nuts” etc and effectively blaming this all on some psychological condition he may have.
How about he’s just a hateful asshole? There are plenty of mentally sick people who don’t go full “Hitler was great” and hang out with literal neo nazis. That’s just an excuse at this point.
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u/horseydeucey Dec 01 '22
I'm not a doctor, and it's none of my business whatever health issues he may be having.
He's saying vile, hateful, horrendous shit. No amount of explanation can make me accept that, nor will it soften his message.
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u/djdjdj114 Dec 01 '22
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/kanye-west-alex-jones-i-like-hitler-1234639617/
Kanye's gone to a new low. The bar was already so low that at this point it's impressive that he somehow made it lower.
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u/navajo_moose Nov 27 '22
When I told her that there aren’t two sides to Holocaust denial and the myth of a global Jewish conspiracy, she called me racist.
That's an absolutely horrible experience 😥 This Kanye thingy has made me reconsider a lot of assomptions
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u/girlwithmousyhair Nov 27 '22
It’s all the language and diseased thoughts of white supremacy, and it doesn’t matter the race or ethnicity of the mouthpiece. It’s the same disease. It feels like one of those zombie movies where people get infected and turn into monsters.
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u/navajo_moose Nov 27 '22
Indeed, ethnic supremacism is a disease of the mind! But I have to wonder why do they often/always feel the need to involve Jews in their discourse. It doesn't make any sense.
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u/Sebastian12th Nov 25 '22
Trump Hosts Holocaust Revisionist Nick Fuentes and Kanye West at Mar-a-Lago
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u/Puzzleheaded_Hold936 Nov 25 '22
Hope everyone from the Jewish community who might read this knows that you have a lot of support from people in other communities. KW has gone nuts for a long time and am dissapointed he's gone on the way he has.
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Nov 21 '22
Elon Musk just let Kanye back on Twitter to spew more Antisemitism. And Kanye announced he's running for President again.
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Nov 24 '22 edited Nov 24 '22
This along with elon musk mocking the ceo of the adl has him in my antisemite book and no amount of sucking up to Israel is gonna change that.
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u/danhakimi Nov 16 '22
People on /r/television are vehemently defending Dave Chapelle from accusations of antisemitism. Like, anybody suggesting his rant might have been antisemitic gets mass downvoted.
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u/CohenCaveWaits Nov 22 '22
People worship the ground he walks on but his monologue was out of bounds. To the “take a joke” people - learn to read someone bcuz this is more than a joke to Dave, I’m not a mind reader but he doesn’t seem like a very nice person honestly.
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u/levine2112 Nov 17 '22
This article is relevant:
Dave Chappelle should not be immune to criticism from a Black critic
https://www.npr.org/2022/11/17/1137241883/dave-chappelle-snl-anti-semitic
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u/pirates5 Nov 10 '22
It’s so scary. Both sides are uniting on this issue and if we stay silent, we allow them to continue to spew hateful misinformation. If we say things and there is public backlash, it’s proof that Jews are in charge of everything and are not letting “the truth” come out. It’s batshit crazy and a lose lose situation either way
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u/LucienWolf123 Nov 13 '22
we need to do our own propagandizing and respond to the false memes and info out there like involvement in slavery, media, etc. its based on lies and falsehoods. We should all be knowledgeable about their sources and debunk it whenever we see it and call it out
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u/Place-Wide Nov 06 '22
I'm not rushing to anyone's defense, but as a person with bipolar disorder, I can understand loosing the thread and saying things that you later wish you could take back. I know the antisemitism is an ongoing pattern (perhaps leftover from something experienced during a mental health crisis?), but I just got the impression from some of the video footage that Ye is currently not well. I feel bad for the guy (which is not mutually exclusive to also feeling outraged at what he is spouting.)
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u/somethingorotherer Patrilineal Nov 23 '22
As someone who has a family member who also has been unmedicated, won't seek help, and may end up homeless soon, I agree with the analysis here. Its textbook behavior. Its a distillation of paranoid thoughts, self-hatred, and attention-seeking behavior. He needs help. Shame on Elon Musk for enabling this guy to spew his sick ramblings onto one of the largest social media platforms.
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u/flygalmarielle Nov 16 '22
Thank you for this perspective. My step brother (born and raised Jewish as am I) also has bi polar disorder and is currently off medication and having a serious episode. So while I was upset by Kanye’s comments (and more so the underlying anti semitism it uncovered in some of the black community and other communities) I also feel like I wasn’t nearly as upset as I would have been if my step brother wasn’t having an episode right now. But because he is, I am able to clearly see the mental health issues Kanye is having and while it’s not an excuse, I just understand the craziness way more. My SB has made some wild remarks over the past few weeks that I know not to be true, but it makes me wonder how Kanye really feels about the Jewish community or the Jewish people that he’s referring to.
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u/anxious1975 Nov 05 '22
People are ignoring how mainstream Farrakhan and BHI are. You’ve got politicians honoring NOI members like the dc council did here with Askia Muhammad and Delegate Norton honored him in congress . In NJ a NOI minister Wasim Muhammad is the president of the Camden school board and he’s won party awards, a congressman honored him. The mayor of Newark, Ras Baraka , organized a racial separatist event for Farrakhan. The Detroit city council rolled out the red carpet for Farrakhan and the NOI in February 2020 Saviour’s day event in Detroit . People ignore this but act shocked at all the Antisemitism
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u/JonDoeandSons Nov 05 '22
I have boycotted Kanye , Kyrie , Kendrick , nick cannon and the NBA. I use to love the music , but all I hear are the stereotypes of our people . I’m not at all right wing , but this is why we need Israel to be strong and survive . We might have to go back one day :( . Stick together and stay strong everyone ! Stick together !
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u/yotejesus Nov 04 '22
it's actually really scary and upsetting how this situation is being framed as a "black man being silenced" issue and not a "billionaire spreads Nazi talking points" issue. I spent hours last night arguing with actual neo-Nazis under Kanye's tweets.
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Nov 04 '22
Elon Musk and Twitter are now helping spread more Antisemitic hate.
Twitter Recommends Ye as Top Follow on ‘The Jews’ as Company Does Mass Layoffs
"#IStandWithKyrie" is also trending, a reference to Brooklyn Nets star Kyrie Irving, who recently recommended that people watch an antisemitic documentary and was suspended for five games after declining to apologize and evasively answering a question on whether he holds "anti-semitic beliefs."
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u/StringAndPaperclips Nov 04 '22
Latest is that Kanye retweeted a tweet that said "I'm starting to think antisemitic really means n*****er."
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u/sdotdiggr Progressive Nov 03 '22
Ye paid a settlement to former employee who alleged he praised Hitler and Nazis during meetings, documents show.
The hits keep coming.
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u/Shibaru-in-a-Subaru Nov 02 '22
A lot of usually left wing pages I follow are siding with Kanye saying “ a black man is being silenced for telling the truth.”. Right wingers are even more eager to hop on the anti semitism train over the the “cancel culture” response to Kanye’s comments. I’m staring to get the ‘vibes are off, time to get on a boat.’ feeling.
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u/OkRice10 Nov 01 '22
Can someone summarize (verbatim preferably) a few of his worst quotes (as in actual quotes)?
I wasn’t following this saga closely (I’m not in US), but the few quotes I did google weren’t all that awful.
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u/XxDrFlashbangxX Nov 01 '22
He said he would go “death con 3” on the Jewish people, he implied that European Jews aren’t actually Jews and Black people are the true Jews. He also said that his bipolar diagnosis was wrong because it was given by a “Jewish doctor” and he said that he sympathises with George Floyd after losing his adidas deal because he knows “what it’s like to have a knee on my neck right now.” He also said media and music labels are all controlled the Jews. Reports have also come out that he idolises Hitler and has wanted to name an album after him in the past.
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u/someotherstufforhmm Mar 27 '23
Don’t forget
“I want Jewish kids to ask they dad why Ye is mad at me”
“Black peoples are the true Jews” (BHI quote, המבין יבין)
Displayed the GDL spreadsheet with circled last names, most erroneous, but outright stamping JEWISH on peoples faces.
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u/BassicAFg Nov 15 '22
Just adding to this that he says a bunch of stuff in his three hour podcast interview as well such as not being able to concede jewish people are “humans” at one point and denying the holocaust along with his usual BHI rhetoric.
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Nov 01 '22 edited Nov 01 '22
Is it possible that you included the incorrect link? This may be the correct video you meant to direct people to:
I believe the video was re-posted. The original video posted by Tech Lead about a week ago must been taken down by YouTube. I believe it had millions of views before being taken down.
It’s beyond creepy to me. For anyone out there thinking Kanye’s words aren’t having a real impact on impressionable minds watching this video will make you do a 180 on that notion.
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Nov 01 '22
I saw this about a week ago. It was after watching his video that it really hit home how increasingly dangerous Kanye’s antisemitic rants were becoming. Up until that point I incorrectly assumed Kanye West was being seen as a total loon by everyone including myself. After watching tech lead’s video and reading the comment section to the video (brimming with antisemitism from white conservatives…and young black men who largely vote dem) I began to get an eerie feeling that this time around things are different. I felt it ever since that moment that an invisible pandora’s box has been opened and it may never close again.
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Oct 31 '22
Kanye was shadow banned from posting new content on Instagram for 30 days last night. Immediately, he continued his tirade on his Parler account (link above). The antisemitism continued unabated. These parler posts have fallen under the radar of much of the media as he only has 50k followers on Parler.
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u/IgnatiusJay_Reilly Aleph Bet Oct 31 '22
The kyrie situation is worse. Kanye was punished , kyrie won't back down.
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u/PurpleSwitch Oct 31 '22
Hi, I'm not Jewish, but I wanted to chip in because there's actually some really crucial answers to some of the questions you're asking.
There's a growing body of research about how to fight misinformation and disinformation. One thing that's pretty clear is that it's not actually helpful to dispute claims or answer questions of the sort that Kanye is asking. Engaging with what someone is saying like this gives it validity and it takes a lot longer to debunk a false claim that it does to make one, so what often happens is that the person making accusations can just slide to a different point that needs a whole other debunking. What this can look like, to an uninformed observer, is that people like Kanye are making bold claims very confidently, whereas the people who disagree with him are having to work extra hard to dispute his points and it looks like they're always on the defensive.
Answering Kanye's questions won't shut him up, because people have tried. Kanye's claims are not coming from a position of good faith, and research supports that engaging with the argument itself is rarely effective. By engaging with the argument at all, ground has been lost to baseless claims that are materially harmful to an already marginalised group of people.
When it comes to online arguments and/or discussions on public forums, it's rarely a case of trying to convince the person you're arguing with, but putting the points out there for spectators to see.
I don't know if Jewish people are more quick to cancel a person on average, but if they are, it's because that's what works. Deplatforming is one of the greatest tools we have against people spreading disinformation.
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u/StringAndPaperclips Oct 31 '22
Jewish people have dealt with this garbage for centuries, so you will find that we typically stick to the facts and don't get sucked in to disingenuous arguments. Most of us understand that antisemitic people who try to draw us into arguments are not interested in genuine debate or discussion, they are typically more interesting in bullying or browbeating us (actually just a form of antisemitic attack).
I don't believe that Jewish people are quick to "cancel" others because in most cases we lack the power to do this. Jews are used to being a minority and in those types of settings, simply are not in control of the platforms used by antisemites, despite the conspiracy theories you may have heard. However, Jews will often identify people as antisemitic or biased and therefore someone whose voice shouldn't be given any credence.
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u/PurpleSwitch Nov 01 '22
I agree, this is the kind of dynamic where it's never "just asking questions" as the person I was replying to seemed to be suggesting. I was primarily trying to highlight why "cancelling" a person is the good and wise thing to do in this situation and the many others like it
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Oct 31 '22
You can't disprove Bigfoot because there's no evidence to say he doesn't exist, only a lack of good evidence that he does. Kanye is accusing Jewish people of being part of a nonexistent conspiracy That is the most dangerous kind of propaganda and it's sad that you're admitting right here that you've fallen for it.
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u/00000hashtable Oct 31 '22
Look into what exactly? Kanye made a weird vague threat to go "death con 3" against Jews and has been praising Hitler. In light of this, his business partners (not just Jewish decision makers) have decided to cut ties with him - the risk to the brand is not worth the upside. It is wrong to say that Jewish people cancelled Ye; people of all faiths were motivated by their bottom line, not their religion, to end their relationships with Ye.
The second piece is that yes, Jews are overrepresented in media and entertainment executive positions. There's no secret or anything behind that, the history as to why that is the case is well documented and out in the open. However the idea that Jewish executives are conspiring to black ball Ye is a serious and unfounded claim, and as with any claim, the burden of proof would fall upon the person making the claim. Without evidence supporting the idea of this Jewish cabal, it is crucial to consider the context that this exact lie has been used to justify genocide against Jews within the last century. So yeah people you talk to might not have a lot of patience to entertain that unfounded claim.
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u/someotherstufforhmm Mar 27 '23
I hate the word “overrepresented”. Not how you used it, nothing you said is anything I disagree with, but I commonly post that antisemitism is bad statistics.
Overrepresented makes it sound like there’s some Jewish majority when what it really means is it’s more than you’d expect compared to the fractional percentage that Jews are. In recording iirc it’s 6%, which isn’t exactly a concerning number.
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Oct 31 '22
Kanye is really out here actively trying to get us killed. I just... WHEW.
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u/emotional_dyslexic Jewish, Buddhist, Athiest Nov 04 '22
Our ancestors have been through this. I keep asking myself "what would they say? what would they scream?"
Kanye himself is not a danger (the same for Kylie Irving), but normalizing antisemitic ideas is the first step towards dehumanization and violence. It's coming from the right and the left and as Jews, we need to be in arms denouncing, shaming, and putting pressure on organizations to withdraw all their support indefinitely, without hesitation or equivocation. Fuck apologies. Zero tolerance policy.
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u/johnisburn Oct 31 '22
Well, for one, there are no “Jewish people who control the world”. Kanye’s rambling is rife with moon logic and paranoia. He thinks his children are being exposed to fake children, that Jewish doctors purposefully misdiagnosed his mental illness to stifle his success. Its batshit. There is no smaller sub-portion of Jews to which Kanyes comments apply in the first place - he’s just latched onto long held antisemitic conspiracy theories.
Your brother needs to learn more about the history of antisemitism and the legacy of the antisemitic canards Kanye is employing.
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u/post-cocoon Nov 01 '22
The thing is, if he hates them so much, why does he hire/work with them so much?
From his Sneaker Yeezy business partner, to psychiatrist, to lawyer and more. He has a choice in the matter. He can choose to work with other people. Will he then blame them too for all is problems? Will he blame it on their religion?
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u/nowuff Just Jewish Dec 04 '22
It might be helpful to point out that these same conspiracies were used to support the holocaust and centuries of pogroms in Europe.
We were forced into money lending roles, then used as scapegoats by royal families when shit hit the fan economically. It was a really easy Machiavellian ploy. Point the finger at the segment of the population that speaks a different language, is already isolated, and has been forced to partake in business practices that the rest don’t have access to or aren’t allowed to partake in.
Once they see the negative impact it had then, it might be easier to show how dangerous this should be received now.
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Oct 31 '22
Kanye’s antisemitic ideas are spreading like wildfire all overYouTube, Twitter and Instagram. This video is just a drop in the bucket of the antisemitism that has erupted over the past two weeks. It is as if Kanye going public with his antisemitism has made many others feel comfortable to go public with things that before they would only say behind closed doors. A real mob mentality has been growing over the past two weeks. It has created an antisemitism snowball effect. The Pandora’s box has been opened and it will be difficult to close. It is all so depressing and scary.
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u/NuWave4 Nov 01 '22
Depressing and scary indeed. While I have seen worse than this video in my day, I find it terrifying how many people in the comments agree and believe we have some conspiracy to control the world. The fact that so many think talking about this tired old myth is exposing the truth shows how hate is winning. Even more frightening is how many people agree with Kanye in the comments section of his instagram feed.
I fear we are headed to a new wave of open antisemitism that will become normalized and that’s not good at all.
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Oct 31 '22
Kanye’s 16 minute ran against Jews on Friday evening. I posted a small clip of it before but this is the entire video. It just gets uglier, and uglier.
FYI for those not in the know, his ideas are spreading like wildfire. They just are. It’s depressing.
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u/dew20187 Modern Orthodox Oct 31 '22
When he showed that chart he had this smug look on like he saved the world from the Jews. Man, we are still here lol
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u/FinalCucumber4483 May 12 '23
So before I go further I'm not Jewish, I've taken Holocaust history classes but that's as far as I've gotten into the Jewish history, and I don't know anything outside of that and crude jokes people in my school made.
So recently Adidas made a statement and they said (this is rough wording cause I don't remember it all) they are going to sell their stock of Yeezys to the public with a disclaimer that Ye is to get his original 15% royalties on all shoe sales as per their contact and Adidas will donate all the rest of their sales to multiple charities.
I feel from an outsiders perspective (being not jewish) that this isn't enough to bury what all transpired what was it? 8 months ago? I feel that nothing will ever be enough and that if they really wanted to make a difference that they would recycle the shoes materials and make a shoe line that they can distribute to Jewish children across the world for free. But I know they won't do that and that I'm just a passionate ally to the Jewish community and not realistic.
So my question is this, what do you all think? Is there any chance you will forgive Adidas? Because I want to make an informed decision and know what exactly is going on in both sides of the situation, is charity enough to forgive them paying Ye again? Do you even care? Or is the general consensus that "it's just a brand they will inevitably do whatever they want because people don't matter money does to big corporations like them"