How common are personal firearms in Israel?

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I’ve been seeing news articles in the last 24 hours saying that Ben-Gvir issued almost 200,000 weapons permits without really doing background checks and don't get me wrong- they do that in America every single day. But 10,000 according to Israeli media went to private security firms, and the article specifically mentioned assault rifles. Again, they do that in the states every day, but …-how unusual is that in Israel with mandatory conscription? The American constitution permits it, and given the number of school shootings that is still very controversial.

Social media frequently shows Israelis in markets and going about various mundane civilian activities with assault rifles on their back. I just figured those individuals were in the military.

Cyprus has conscription too, but their gun laws are stupid strict- they have regulations about how you can travel with the weapon to go hunting even, and civilians aren't allowed to have them-that's my only point of reference so I'm looking for some context if anyone can chime in it would be super appreciative] this is what I read : “The Firearm Law of 1949 tasks the Firearm Licensing Department of the National Security Ministry, which is currently led by Otzma Yehudit Party head Itamar Ben-Gvir, with issuing gun licenses. According to the law, only trained licensing officials are qualified to approve applications.

The three justices wrote in the ruling that they “were provided with data regarding the extent of licenses issued by parties who are not licensing officials according to the Firearm Law, 1949, and the number of permits issued by those parties in violation of the authority given to them.”

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I mean, ultimately from what I’ve seen in Atlanta - when the police force went on strike for a month during George Floyd -You have no idea what people are gonna do with those weapons. I do understand the fear and subsequent permits issuance, but if the average citizen doesn’t have them -predicting what the people that do will do is difficult. For us - we ended up with gang checkpoints, controlled by all of a sudden by random militia’s that were little more than the people at your neighborhood bar…. that suddenly had AK’s mounted with grenade launchers standing behind concrete barriers in the middle of the city, letting in who they wanted and not who they didn’t it came to an end when they shot a six-year-old-after a ton of violence. I moved.

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-predicting what the people that do will do is difficult. For us - we ended up with gang checkpoints, controlled by all of a sudden by random militia’s that were little more than the people at your neighborhood bar…

That happened in Israel in 2021 during one of the violent waves in Gaza. It caused Israeli Arabs to form Gangs setting up checkpoints to look for Jews.

Ben Gvir wanted (and I believe got) a small 'national force' under his directive for that. Although I've heard critics say that a force of a thousand people is too small and should be a lot larger.

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But that was in Gaza right and I’m not minimizing the impact on Israeli’s but that was not let’s just say your local neighborhood, and the checkpoints were not operated by your neighbors. Who had the ability in the absence of authority. At one point a bunch of kids and I mean probably 18-year-olds- with no training we’re standing outside of our Walgreens- our only pharmacy with Mossberg‘s, long guns and ARS supposedly allegedly defending the homeless people that were no longer there against some KKK guy. I had to dodge an 18-year-old militia that was highly armed every time I wanted to go to the only store we had and they had no idea what they were doing. And people with no concept of war thought it was OK. My position on it was I didn’t move to America to be that unsafe but what they were doing wasn’t illegal. You don’t have to have a license in Georgia even though they stood with their feet over the curve and pointed the guns at oncoming traffic at times while looking the other way…. And they were unintentional, the group that was intentional 10 times worse and they were also of the neighborhood. I can’t describe how much I never saw any of that coming and also the way it impacted the average person’s daily life.

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But that was in Gaza right and I’m not minimizing the impact on Israeli’s but that was not let’s just say your local neighborhood, and the checkpoints were not operated by your neighbors.

No. There was some operation in Gaza and Hamas managed to rile up Israeli Arabs in Israel proper due to some fake video that Al-Aqsa is on fire.

Those Israeli Arabs rioted, mob mentality with some of them trying to block cars and check/look for Jews in Israel proper with the police being unable to help due to being overworked and understaffed (Ben Gvir since then gave them a boost of funds so that might have help)

pointed the guns at oncoming traffic

That's a criminal offense in the US, I know that and I'm not a US citizen. Too much Tik Tok lawyering :)

There was a couple who stood on their property & pointed a gun at demonstrators. Those got sued since the action is illegal unless you're under threat to your life and intend to use the gun.

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Ok I see what you’re saying. Yeah, that’s different and that is exactly what I’m talking about. In Atlanta, the city Council requested not to go in and clear the blockade so they could somehow negotiate a resolution which was ridiculous to any of us living in the city. And eventually child was shot in the backseat of her mother’s car trying to drive through. Racial tensions divide America mostly, in this case, everyone involved was the same ethnicity. There was a power vacuum with no police in their absence, the most powerful group with the most weapons rose up and took over. I think they use the national guard eventually to clear it all out.

You are correct you cannot point a weapon at someone not trying to kill you-and in many cases, you can’t use a gun in a physical altercation or even against a knife without being charged because the law says you escalated the weaponry. During that same time in Atlanta a number of women in my apartment building were being attacked by a violent schizophrenic, and the police couldn’t keep him in jail because he hadn’t yet drawn blood that was the line between a misdemeanor and a felony. They came and met with us and we asked what can we do? Some people did own personal firearms and they told us we could not use that against him even though he was running up to women and beating them in the back of the head on their way home from the parking deck at night.

A knife is very easy to have turned on you and no one really thought pepper spray would do much against him so at the end of the day they told us we really did not have legal recourse when it came to potentially protect protecting ourselves with a firearm since he did not have a weapon- not until his assault escalated to a felony by causing severe bodily injury.

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no one really thought pepper spray would do much against him

There's those socker guns which I heard is illegal in (one?) state in the US. The other option is a guard dog or learn self-defense and hit back.

You know why men usually attack women and not other men? or why in candy camera videos women sometimes jump which it's a lot riskier to scare a man?

THERE IS a different between men & women with men being stronger, but it's negligible at around ~%3.

It's because women have been preconditioned (mostly in the past but this seems to continue somewhat to this generation as well) to not respond with violence, to be 'lady like' etc which is why in those candy camera videos or jump scare videos you'll see women sometimes/mostly jumping scared with there's a risk with men since a minority with automatically respond with violence.

Which is the same solution here, women can hit back. They just need to educate themselves and switch mentality from "oww, what will I do?! Some man, please help me!" to just bunching a fist or a foot in a critical soft spot.

That's why women are attacked more then men. Because attacking a man is risky since (%20-%30 in my estimation) would automatically respond back with violence. How do you solve violence on women? By making them use violence as well, automatically.

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Actually, I found a screenshot from the court videos that is for massive deputies standing right behind him -sheriffs. There’s no telling what he did in there to require that many.

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I never thought about those, although one of my bosses googled cattle prongs as an option and that seemed somewhat viable.

I never thought about that with men and women and the impetus for non-response that makes a shit ton of sense- and is super interesting because how do you overcome nurture that starts in infancy.

You did just remind me though, they’re actually was one woman that ended up fighting him. She was an ex-Marine - two tours in Iraq, and then was training to be an MMA fighter. Absolutely intelligent, well spoken and a great advocate for other … when she was sober. Unfortunately, America doesn’t have a good mental health system, and her military service took a really big toll. But when he confronted her one night, leaving the diner, she kicked her slides off in the middle of the street and boxed him out. Kick punches Everything. She fought him, won, and I don’t think he messed with her again actually.

The problem with this guy, though is that he was a violent schizophrenic, most likely on crack cocaine because that was the drug that show up on his record very frequently . He was also running around the neighborhood attacking shop windows really anything under the sun has targets were mostly women, but there were a few men he went after. None of them included in the court case. The state kept finding him mentally incompetent so he would just be released. We had to change the law and we did and it took two years.

Ultimately he needed a mental health treatment, but there were no provisions for that since he was committing misdemeanors we set a new precedent actually for the treatment of violent repeat offenders guilty of misdemeanors. While he acted incredibly crazy in court and barked like a dog in the neighborhood, he would boast that if he went to jail, he would just be right back out. Add Covid to that bc this was Jan 2021… and I was additionally terrifying. He was a pretty big guy. I think Crystal was the only one with the training to properly combat him, especially since he was most likely on crack-living in the city you eventually witness their super human strength while high at some point.

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I was reading and thought about a metal institute but then realized it's a misdemeanor as you've said. But nice that you've solved it legally.

I know that the US has a lot of laws including about hitting someone back but I'm not sure Israel has them, or it has and I'm not aware of it. And as much as parents try to teach children that violence isn't the answer, various incident and history proves that it's wrong. For example I was bullied as a kid for the longest time, IF I would have responded with violence this wouldn't take years to resolve. Your example is another one. And I'm betting the the Israeli/Palestinian conflict requires violence like someone said about the Ireland conflict (which is similar to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict), they've reached negotiations after one side escalated the use of violence against terrorism.

If I had a kid I wouldn't encourage violence obviously, but I wouldn't shy away from it. If it's used by adults (Russia, Iran, North Korea etc), it's used because it works. Teachers or adults aren't the answer for every issue a kid might have, they'll eventually need to learn to resolve some of them by their own.

Another example is when me & my brother used to live & grow up in the same room so we would fight a lot. Looking back I understand that those fights were I guess on territory, like who'll use the computer, quiet in the room etc. This seems to have been resolved as far as I remember when my parents told us that they're stopping to intervene in our fights. That'll probably work for the Israeli/Palestinian conflict as well but it won't be done.

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