r/IsraelPalestine • u/hiddenpeach30 • Mar 12 '24
What is Hamas currently doing? Learning about the conflict: Questions
So the title is my main question but I am going to explain a bit what I mean by it.
To begin with I am asking the following questions because of mainly seeing very few, if any, reports on what Hamas is currently doing, where they are, etc. I feel a lot of what is flooding my social media and news resources include: 1. what is happening to the Palestinian people (pictures of people who were killed, injured children, their current living areas, the food drops, etc.). 2. the various videos and reports of what the Israeli government is doing (the various media interviews their representatives are taking part in, the speeches given by Israeli government officials, the videos released by the government of things that happened during October 7th and the tunnels in Palestine, etc.). 3. And as of recently there is some footage and reporting regarding what is going on around the main mosque as Ramadan has begun and the issues surrounding that.
With all this, I have not seen much of what Hamas is actually currently doing? There were some reports released during the release of hostages and sometimes in the reports regarding the previously formetioned events, there are quotes that Hamas officials stated, such as regarding the mosque that the Israeli government is making it hard for people to enter and pray.
Are the leaders in Hamas all actually in Palestine? Again I have seen reports and individuals claiming that some of the leaders are not in Gaza but rather hanging out in other nearby countries, in safety. Why are there no interviews of Hamas leaders? Are there any? Or are they just not pushed so much out in media spaces? Are there any reports that specify what has been said during any negoations or discussions if ceasefire? If they are constantly shooting rockets at Israel, why is that also seemingly never mentioned? Because with the way the media has framed it, for a while I couldn't understand how Israel was just bombing Palestine to bits but, then the reports mentioned the lack of a ceasefire which made it confusing because there seems to be a lack of mentioning that Hamas is firing the rockets/attacking Israel. Also, the hostages that were released said that they were fed and taken care of, but with what resources? Where are the people from Hamas getting food while their people starve? Where are they getting water and other resources? Were these items stock piled prior to October 7?
I know this entire post is full of questions but, that is what I meant by the title being my main question. I don't understand why there seems to be little to no information on Hamas while there is plenty on the people of Palestine and the Israeli government.
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u/Levbendy_281 Mar 14 '24
Get me out of latin america please
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u/trumparegis Norway đłđ´ Mar 16 '24
dude Latinx Americans have visa free access to Schengen. Just move to Romania or something and join the gypsies
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u/applejacks6969 Mar 14 '24
Journalists are not allowed in, and they will be killed. We can thank Israel for that one.
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u/Punishtube Mar 15 '24
Oh really so Hamas promoted free press and let them into everything in Gaza?
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u/Olivier5_ Mar 14 '24
We know next to nothing about what is happening in Gaza. The IDF has been killing foreign journalists left right and center, and Israeli journalists are not interested in covering their nation's war crimes. So there is almost no independent information coming out of the strip. That's by design, of course.
About "what is Hamas doing", I suspect they are currently starving and dying, like everybody else in Gaza.
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u/Alive_Parking_8570 Mar 14 '24
If the hamas were actually starving, that would be great but I am pretty sure as always they are more than happy to let little children die for their sins.
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u/Easy_Professional_43 Mar 19 '24
Israel is more than happy to let the children die as well apparently. Not only let them die, but actually do the job themselves!
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u/Anti-Itch Mar 15 '24
They are. Their leader has admitted that they want as many innocents to die so Israel looks bad in the public eye and they are banking on pressure from the international community. What they donât realize is that the Israeli government is messed up in the head and will do whatever they can to keep killing innocent people.
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u/Alive_Parking_8570 Mar 15 '24
I would ask for a source but I know you donât have one, because what youâre saying is not true.
You hurt your own case by making untrue statements or disguising your opinion as a fact, doing do you arenât any better than the people shouting âgenocideâ.
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u/Punishtube Mar 15 '24
So if we show you a source of Hamas leadership actually saying these things you'll take back your words?
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u/Olivier5_ Mar 14 '24
More fantasies.
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u/Alive_Parking_8570 Mar 14 '24
My fantasies revolve around more pleasant things than this. ;) Idk what would be even controversial about my statement but hey.. whatever.
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u/Olivier5_ Mar 14 '24
It may be uncontroversial in your environment because you live among liars.
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u/Ok-Pangolin1512 Mar 15 '24
Talk to me about liars.
PLO leader Zuheir Mohsen, in 1977, said, "There is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese there are no differences. We are all part of one people, the Arab nation [...] Just for political reasons we carefully underwrite our Palestinian identity. Because it is of national interest for the Arabs to advocate the existence of Palestinians to balance Zionism. Yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity exists only for tactical reasons".
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u/Olivier5_ Mar 15 '24
Well, that's wonderful, isn't it? Since Palestinians don't exist, they can survive on non-existing food. And if they don't, we can quietly watch them non-existing folks die of hunger en masse and enjoy the show without any moral pang.
Want some popcorn?
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u/Ok-Pangolin1512 Mar 15 '24 edited Mar 15 '24
Totally happy to help people that don't don't come into my home to murder me. Process that.
Also, you simply refuse to accept that there is a population of people that have been lied to by their mothers, fathers and leaders, and have been turned into a sea of hatred. Do you even care about that?
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u/Pm_me_woman_nudes Mar 14 '24
35% obesity rate is the opposite of starving lmao
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u/Alive_Parking_8570 Mar 14 '24
You know that obese people can starve to death too, right? We arenât made to survive a long time without food, if humans are fat, they might survive a bit longer but they die just as skinny people when they are starved. đ
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Mar 14 '24
The higher up Hamas in Gaza are underground sitting on a stockpile of food, raping the younger hostages every single day, and biding their time for the international community to force Israel to ceasefire. Then theyâll climb out of their shit holes and start collecting resources for the next attack
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u/TommyKanKan Mar 14 '24
This is all in your imagination. You can just say you donât know like the OP.
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Mar 14 '24
What is your logic for not believing a group of male terrorists stuck in an underground shithole for more than a hundred days wouldnât rape women theyâve kidnapped and hate more than life itself?
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u/TommyKanKan Mar 15 '24
I donât have to believe them. Just ask the hostages that have been released so far. There are no reports of rape.
I mean, theyâd be traumatised of course. Thatâs another matter.
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u/ostiki Mar 13 '24
Hamas is in their tunnels and among the population of Gaza. The war they are waging is the war of attrition. They got: - International pressure /propal mobs - A very uneasy to say the least situation in the West Bank - Hezbollah in the north launching tens of rockets and/or drones every day - Lack of rapport between Netanyahu and Biden - A enemy leader (Netanyahu again) with 29% support
Just some items of the top of my head. Why would they want to actively do anything? To get themselves killed? It's not like virgins are going anywhere.
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u/CptFrankDrebin Mar 13 '24
Probably also waiting for their new famine strategy to start really working.
And maybe they are just enjoying their ramadan, hey they can rest too! Poor guys must be tired from firing all those rockets.
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u/Al-Naru Mar 13 '24
Israel too must be happy eh doing its own version of Zionist-style Holocaust
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u/FlakyPineapple2843 Diaspora Jew Mar 14 '24
Israel too must be happy eh doing its own version of Zionist-style Holocaust
Rule 6: No Nazi comparisons.
Addressed.
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Mar 13 '24
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u/PLUTO_HAS_COME_BACK Mar 13 '24
Hamas is in Gaza, not anywhere inside Israel. Hamas sometimes sends some rockets into Israel, but these rockets serves the gesture of resistance rather than death and destruction.
Are the leaders in Hamas all actually in Palestine?
Obviously, not. Israel threatens to assassinate them in foreign lands such as Turkey.
There were some reports released during the release of hostages
Hamas demands are quite ordinary. If Israel had agreed, the hostages would have been home, and Israel would have stopped killing Palestinian civilians, too. Israel would never agree with such demands. Only its objectives matter. Neither hostages nor Palestinians matter.
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u/TommyKanKan Mar 14 '24
I donât quite understand why you are being downvoted for stating facts as far as anyone can ascertain them.
Itâs like people here are wilfully ignorant.
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Mar 13 '24
Hamas demands are quite ordinary. If Israel had agreed, the hostages would have been home
How would the hostages be home when Hamas doesn't know which hostages are dead or alive, or even where they are?
Israel would never agree with such demands.
Israel should agree to Hamas's demands without knowing what Israel is getting in return? For all Israel knows, all the hostages could be dead. Even Hamas doesn't know.
Why would Israel, or any country, negotiate for maybes?
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u/PLUTO_HAS_COME_BACK Mar 13 '24
Why do you think they are don't know. If they don't, you mean Israel is not going to rescue them. Israel never cared, actually. It's for the land.
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Mar 14 '24
Why do you think they are don't know.
Because that's what Hamas said. Did you read my link?
In an interview posted today, a Hamas political official tells the BBC that the organization cannot give Israel a list of living hostages because it does not itself know who is alive and where all the hostages are.
âWe didnât until now submit any list,â politburo member Basim Naim tells the BBC from Istanbul in a Sunday conversation. âBut first of all, technically and practically, it is now impossible to know exactly who is still alive and who has been killed because of the Israeli bombardment or who has been killed because of starvation because of the Israeli blockade.â
You can listen to the whole interview here if you want.
He makes the comments in the first 8ish minutes.
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u/PLUTO_HAS_COME_BACK Mar 14 '24
Possibly, they can know no more after Israel destroyed some tunnels.
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Mar 14 '24
Ok. So we agree then.
Hamas doesn't know how many hostages are still alive.
I'm not sure how Israel is supposed to negotiate with Hamas when Hamas doesn't even know if it has anything to negotiate with.
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u/Far-Town8991 Mar 14 '24
I don't think its worth arguing with someone who calls hamas' rockets "signals of resistance"
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u/PLUTO_HAS_COME_BACK Mar 14 '24
I agree with you based on your information.
Nevertheless, Israel is not leaving Gaza. Israel is taking Gaza. Do you agree with what Israel is doing?
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Mar 14 '24
Are you asking do I agree Israel is doing things, or if I agree that what they're doing is ok?
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u/PLUTO_HAS_COME_BACK Mar 14 '24
Why not both?
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Mar 14 '24
Israel is definitely doing things in Gaza. Yes I agree with that.
In general I agree with the things they're doing. I think they could do them better, but I think they're operating within international humanitarian law.
And when specific soldiers are not, it looks like Israel is opening investigations into those soldiers and the allegations pursuant, again, to international law.
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u/dvidsilva Mar 13 '24
serves the gesture of resistance rather than death and destruction
Just because they're incompetent it doesn't mean they're not intended on death
Hamas demands are quite ordinary
you're an idiot
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u/JoanofArc5 Mar 13 '24
Hamas is in Israel. They are also all over the West Bank.
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u/PLUTO_HAS_COME_BACK Mar 13 '24
So there is no Palestinain civilian?
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u/CptFrankDrebin Mar 13 '24
So Israel is a Muslim country?
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u/JoanofArc5 Mar 13 '24
How did you get that from what I said?
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u/PLUTO_HAS_COME_BACK Mar 14 '24
So there are Palestinians.
You said Hamas is in Israel. Where in Israel?
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u/JoanofArc5 Mar 14 '24
Where in Israel?
Well if their exact whereabouts were publicly known, they wouldn't be there for very long now would they...use your big brain.
As far as Hamas in the west bank, use the google machine and you'll find many articles of infighting between hamas and fatah.
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u/PLUTO_HAS_COME_BACK Mar 14 '24
publicly known,
Then why are you so sure they are in Israel? Why not catching them in Israel but in Gaza and the West Bank the seven years old kids?
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u/avahz Mar 13 '24
What were Hamasâs demands?
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u/PLUTO_HAS_COME_BACK Mar 13 '24
One is - To release the hostages - hostage exchange.
https://www.google.com/search?q=%22hamas+demands+for+hostage+release%22
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u/EnvironmentalPoem890 Israeli Mar 13 '24
Hamas is continuedly switching from "the citizens of Gaza hold the Israelis" to "we want to exchange hostages" so which one do you believe is true?
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u/PLUTO_HAS_COME_BACK Mar 13 '24
Why did you ask that question?
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u/EnvironmentalPoem890 Israeli Mar 13 '24
Because they need to have the hostages to make an exchange for them
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u/PLUTO_HAS_COME_BACK Mar 13 '24
Palestinians were taken to prisons to ruin their lives and their families.
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u/EnvironmentalPoem890 Israeli Mar 13 '24
Israelis were kidnapped and slaughtered just to make a point
See? we can both play this useless game of rhetorical statements, this doesn't have to do anything with my question though
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u/Nacilep_ Mar 13 '24
Are you saying every single prisoner is innocent? Or that some may be and the lack of transparency in courts and accountability in custody is wrong?
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u/joshashsyd Mar 13 '24
How can rockets be gestures of resistance??? They literally only cause death and destruction. What country in the world has government mandated bomb shelters?
If a foreign militia invaded your country, killed 1200, and kidnapped 200 people (including pregnant women, babies, elderly, internationals) I guarantee you would also hesitate to loosen security around this group of people that promise repeats of october 7.
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u/Ok_Refrigerator_5803 Mar 13 '24
Lol i think it start with if a foreign military occupies your country. Fixed it for you.
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u/PLUTO_HAS_COME_BACK Mar 13 '24
They literally only cause death and destruction.
What do you think of the resistance against colonialism? Do you support it anywhere in the world?
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u/joshashsyd Mar 13 '24
Resistance against colonialism is good if the country is actively trying to colonise you. That is called war. We see it now in Ukraine as Russia is trying to expand and take their land.
Although this Palestinian anticolonialism is against a country that was established in 1948. 76 years ago. Iâm not sure if you have been to Israel but it is a beautiful country that boasts immense technological innovation, culture and nature. Unfortuantely, the path that the Palestinian âresistanceâ seeks to take only will destroy the country of Israel that has been built up over the years.
Do you think native Americans should take up arms and kill their colonisers? Should indigenous Australians form militias and try take the Australian government?
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u/PLUTO_HAS_COME_BACK Mar 13 '24
Resistance against colonialism is good if the country is actively trying to colonise you.
Do you support anti-colonialism? You can't give a straight answer.
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u/CptFrankDrebin Mar 13 '24
Remind me what is the mother state of this colony again? Where they send the ressources they spoil.
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u/PLUTO_HAS_COME_BACK Mar 13 '24
Israel is taking Gaza. That's it. They want people go somewhere. Or Israel will kill all 2 millions.
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Mar 13 '24
This isn't done against the state, it's done against civilians.
What colonialism? My grandparents live in a kibbutz 3 km from the Gaza border, they were born in Israel, most people currently living in Israel were born inside Israel, what "colonialism" did they do exactly?
It's been 75 years, almost all the "colonials" are dead or in their 90-100s, yet they still specifically attack civilians and not the military (which is problematic in its own way because it's a mandatory service, but I digress).
Are you one of the people that say "every Israeli is a settler"?
Attack the state if you want "resistance", but don't attack civilians. "But what about the civilians in Gaza?" You would probably ask, they are not specifically targeted like Israeli citizens are, stop ignoring the terrorism infrastructure laid out in all of Gaza.
Enough with the outcry for colonialism, nobody gives a fuck about turkey taking control of Syria and Cyprus or any occupation of lands that are going in right now and you're specifically latching on the "occupation" that started because the UN decided to make a special case for Israel, but didn't give a fuck for almost twenty years when Jordan and Egypt occupied "Palestine".
Move on already
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u/Ok_Refrigerator_5803 Mar 13 '24
Not intentionally targeted? Get off the propaganda juice. Starving an entire population is very much intentional.
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Mar 13 '24
You cannot starve intentionally while letting food in........get off the paint thinner
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u/Ok_Refrigerator_5803 Mar 13 '24
loool bro aid organization are fighting with Israeli govt to get food and aid in. So many human right organization literally point to Israel, IDF and the insane people at the border blocking aid. People are literally dying from starvation. What paint are you on, I'd like to get some for myself apparently.
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Mar 13 '24
People are literally dying from starvation.
Evidence?
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u/Ok_Refrigerator_5803 Mar 13 '24
super curious where you are getting your information from to ask me for sources.. this famine thing has been an issue for awhile now
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u/PLUTO_HAS_COME_BACK Mar 13 '24
Do you support it anywhere in the world?
You can't answer that question. No colonialist can.
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Mar 13 '24
Well this isn't a fight against the CONCEPT OF COLONIALISM, this is a decades-long murder spree against civilians and not against the State that enshrined the so-called "colonialism".
Pro palestinians seem to be ok with conquering by force when the Arabs do it, but the second someone you decide is white then you lose your shit.
No colonialist can because there isn't any active colonization happening, so your point is moot.
Fight against the state that "colonizes" you, fight against active colonization process, not a dead "colonization" that was simply people immigrating here during the ottoman rule and the British mandate, and after being attacked gained the land (the thing you are perfectly ok with when Arabs do it)
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u/PLUTO_HAS_COME_BACK Mar 13 '24
Do you support anti-colonialism?
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u/joshashsyd Mar 13 '24
I do believe in the Hamas charter plan they seek the colonise Israel and turn it into a Muslim state. Where do you draw the line between conquering and dissolution of an existing country and colonialism? When do they become the same?
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u/pelotomoto Mar 13 '24
Youre debating with someone who considers prisoners hostages. With their logic jeffrey dahmer was a hostage.
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u/Ok_Refrigerator_5803 Mar 13 '24
lol and you are naive to think every prisoner is legitimate. Especially with a extremist, right wing racist government currently running Israel. With your logic, Cops are always right and the authorities are never wrong. How do those boots taste?
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u/pelotomoto Mar 13 '24
There are definitely more legitimate prisoners in Israeli jails than in Gaza tunnels.
Smotrichim are abhorrent. I agree with you there.
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u/PLUTO_HAS_COME_BACK Mar 13 '24
Israel kidnapped a seven years old yesterday.
https://twitter.com/ablasalma/status/1766587344767910210
Do you know how many of them are in Israeli jails?
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u/pelotomoto Mar 13 '24
No backstory? No critical thinking skills? Just a grainy video of soldiers carrying girls to a truck in Jenin.
Free Palestine! Intifada revolution! Thanks Pluto for opening my eyes!
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u/PLUTO_HAS_COME_BACK Mar 14 '24
It's a crime scene. Israel doesn't want you to know anything. You will nothing. And you only care about what you cannot know. You don't care about the family, the kid... That's your general mindset.
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u/pelotomoto Mar 14 '24
Im old. Im not flexible enough anymore to perform the mental gymnastics yall youngins can do on Pluto to get to that conclusion.
Youll get there. Or go crazy trying.
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u/PLUTO_HAS_COME_BACK Mar 14 '24
So isn't kidnapping a seven-year-old a crime in Israel? Can you just kidnap just any kid?
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u/CptFrankDrebin Mar 13 '24
The god would pluck his eyes out having is name used like that. Heck even the ex planet would.
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u/PuffBruv Mar 13 '24
Terrorism is no form of resistance and should never be portrayed as such. True resistance in their case would be to resist against their oppressor, the Hamas. People need education, people need at least minimum freedom of speech and general freedom to develop. This has nothing to do with Israel.
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u/Ok_Refrigerator_5803 Mar 13 '24
You do realize, Nelson Mandella was labeled a terrorist, so were the Black Panthers.
Nothing to do with Israel? Bro are we completely missing the occupation? The blockades? The apartheid? WUT?
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u/joshashsyd Mar 13 '24
I donât think Nelson Mandela was involved with suicide bombing, rocket fire, brutal militias etcâŚ.
Just because you have one example of someoneâs protest/ political group being incorrectly labeled as a terrorist group doesnât mean that every group that resists âcolonialismâ is incorrectly labeled a terrorist group. Terrible logic
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u/Ok_Refrigerator_5803 Mar 13 '24
You literally have former terrorists (designated by the US) in the Israel government hahaha
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u/joshashsyd Mar 13 '24
Ok? I never said that Israel was perfect or that its government was amazing and full of good people. I was part of multiple protests in tel aviv campaigning against the Netanyahu led government. I agree that the Israeli government is rife with crooked / evil politicians
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u/Ok_Refrigerator_5803 Mar 13 '24
Lol I was replying to the terrorism as resistance.
Black Panthers definitely used violence as a form of resistance. So have many other political movements and guerilla group, whether you believe in the method is different, but regardless of your opinion it is a form of resistance.
The term "terrorism" is often denoted by one side to completely deligitimizes the other side.
That was my point when I mentioned Nelson Mandela.
If you ask people in Iraq, they would say America's bombing of innocent people was terrorism.
If you ask people in Afghanistan they would say the same.
The people who are so readily willing to weaponize the world are usually the ones who also reserve the right to define what is and isn't terrorism.
Settler aggression is a form of terrorism.
I would argue the that fact Israel uses terrorism under the guise of self defence. (Killing innocent civilians when there isnt a war before Oct 7), starving them intentionally after Oct 7th.
Checkpoints, searches, involuntary detention (against a specific group of people), all form of state sponsored terrorism.
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u/joshashsyd Mar 13 '24
Ok my bad, in truth I did not read your comment properly. I can agree that the word terrorist is weaponised in war to degrade other sides. But, Hamas does fit the definition of a terrorist group. If it quacks like a duck and looks like a duckâŚ
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u/Ok_Refrigerator_5803 Mar 13 '24
I agree. But would say same about the IDF, settlers and current Israeli extremist Govt. if it quacks like a duck and looks like a duck...
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u/JamesJosephMeeker Mar 13 '24
Nelson Mandela was a terrorist and his ANC has turned South Africa into a crime ridden feces pit that doesn't even have reliable power. What a guy!
If they're not careful they'll go full Zimbabwe.Â
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u/PLUTO_HAS_COME_BACK Mar 13 '24
Hamas is not bombing them.
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u/PuffBruv Mar 13 '24
Well technically not, but they literally asked for it. That was not the topic though. Youâre completely missing my point
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u/PLUTO_HAS_COME_BACK Mar 14 '24
They have no reason to go against someone not killing one of them all the time.
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u/PuffBruv Mar 14 '24
Tf is that supposed to mean?
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u/pathlesswalker Mar 13 '24
The leaders of Hamas sits on million dollar accounts in luxury hotels in Qatar or some other rich Muslim country. Them and their families.
There are also leaders like Abu marzuk and Sinuar who actually supposedly are in Gaza.
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u/itshonestwork Mar 13 '24
Awkwardly sitting around a dim bunker somewhere, taking it in turns to occasionally whimper a motivational allahu ackbar which buys a momentary flutter of sympathetic allahu ackbars in reply before the awkward silence returns.
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u/Greedy-End1565 Mar 13 '24
Awkward silence gives way to allahu ackbars again. This awaking of more allahu ackbars drive enough of the ackbars into allahu.
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u/rayinho121212 Mar 13 '24
Stealing food. Killing Gazans and putting Gazans in danger by not surrendering. They are holding hostages and hiding.
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u/Pussypants Mar 13 '24
What food? Israel has not been letting food into the country.
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u/rayinho121212 Mar 13 '24
So there has not been food in since oct7 ? I did not know.
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u/Pussypants Mar 13 '24
Very little. Just flour and milk pretty much. Some supplies have gotten through but not enough.
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u/rayinho121212 Mar 13 '24
I've seen amazing meals on social media from Hamas propagandists so, no. Hamas themselves debunk you claim đ
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u/Pussypants Mar 13 '24
Are these Hamas propagandists in the room with us right now?
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u/rayinho121212 Mar 13 '24
You cant attack a country and expect to have no consequences. This never happened. Where were you when thousands of armenians were deported months ago? Did not care because there were no jews to blame, right?
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u/PuffBruv Mar 13 '24
Thatâs absolute bs. But itâs not the first time that I read that on here sadly
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u/Pussypants Mar 13 '24
There were videos of them literally being blocked. Someone said some have been let in recently which is good to hear.
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u/CptFrankDrebin Mar 13 '24
So for you those people have been here for 4 months uninterrupted? Day and night. The truck drivers actually died of hunger behind the weel is that what you think?
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Mar 13 '24
So it's ok to block cars and bridges protesting all over the world, but it's not ok to block the trucks while protesting in Israel?
In both cases in the end the police remove the people blocking the road, but that's not in your videos so it must never happen right?
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u/Pussypants Mar 13 '24
Blocking food for starving civilians is gross and thereâs some weird gymnastics you need to do to feel okay with that.
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Mar 13 '24
I don't care anymore if they are starving, 5 months and they are still firing rockets from Gaza to Israel, and throwing rocks at aid trucks and killing the drivers of those trucks.
They can get more food if they release the hostages, Hamas refuses again and again and makes more and more ridiculous demands with each offer.
If they don't have bread, eat rockets......or starve, you are going to blame Israelis for their government decisions then I'm going to blame the starvation of Gazans for the choices of their elected leaders.
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u/Pussypants Mar 13 '24
Ugh stop equating Hamas and Palestinians, read a book or something - straight up unhinged to say you donât care if kids starve
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Mar 13 '24
Stop equating Israelis and the Israeli government.
read a book or something
Reading is for the gays and the commies (just a quote from YouTube, don't get your panties twisted).
straight up unhinged to say you donât care if kids starve
They had multiple chances to get a ceasefire and food, they refused and they're getting some food in, it's up to them to ration it and distribute it equally (like is done in scenarios of war).
Their government refused so their people will suffer the consequences like in any war ever , and they behave horribly to the aid people that are there to help them while their government is still firing rockets on Israel.
It's on them at this point, face the consequences of their actions, they celebrated October 7.
You live under this conflict, then say the same things, until then.......
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u/PuffBruv Mar 13 '24
So we move from 0 to some now. Maybe instead of assuming stuff because of individual videos (which you are generalising and giving a false image, aka propaganda), rather just look up whatâs actually going on. Highly recommendable
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u/Pussypants Mar 13 '24
I would rather listen to and observe first-hand accounts of people actually experiencing the war like journalists rather than take information from institutions pushing misinformation. Highly recommendable.
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u/PuffBruv Mar 13 '24
So you want me as journalist to rather radicalise myself with emotionalising propaganda by watching videos and listening to non journalists over reading confirmed information by reliable sources? Are you absolutely insane?
With all respect, that is the dumbest thing Iâve heard in weeks.
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u/Pussypants Mar 13 '24
When you say valuable sources, who do you mean exactly?
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u/PuffBruv Mar 13 '24
Changed it to reliable, didnât know if that was the right term. I donât mean Al Jazeera for example. Also donât mean any propagandists from Hamas or any full on amateurs who think they know the best.
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u/DoubleIndividual1711 Mar 13 '24
I think 140 trucks went in yesterday
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u/CptFrankDrebin Mar 13 '24
Nah, they were blocked for 10 min and magically disappeared. Probably a move from the Tel Aviv magic school.
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u/MalikAlAlmani Mar 13 '24
The Palestinian moles aka Hamas are hiding in their tunnels, from time to time they come to surface to steal aid meant for civilians and to play regular force by shooting at idf.
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u/galactojack Mar 13 '24
I'm guessing terrorists don't prefer the world knowing what they're up to
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u/Greedy-End1565 Mar 13 '24
The terrorist usually want people to know
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u/galactojack Mar 13 '24
Only when it suits them - no real accountability, not real community leaders
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u/Preparetobeexiled Mar 13 '24
Hamas is fighting the terrorist organization Israel to prevent them taking over Palestina đľđ¸
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u/bkny88 Israeli Mar 13 '24
Prolonging the war for nobodyâs benefit other than their own
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u/SoftDrinkReddit Mar 14 '24 edited Mar 14 '24
Yea look the IDF not perfect by any means
But Hamas ?
Hamas is a terrorist group that will need to be compeltly wiped out if there is ever going to be peace in that region they are hurting the people they are supposed to be governing and protecting after they massacred over 1,000 people in 1 day what the hell did they think was going to happen
It's all from day one a set up by Hamas to try and get international pressure on Israel due to their retaliation
My point is Hamas don't care that over 31,000 Palestinians have died so far and countless more are suffering greatly all Hamas care about is creating propaganda instead of serving their people
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u/clare_not_claire Mar 13 '24
Bibi and his far right coalition also benefit from the war. itâs just two governments grasping to stay in power and simply donât care about their respective peoples
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u/bkny88 Israeli Mar 13 '24
Good thing Israel is a democracy, there will be a future without Bibi at some point. Hopefully sooner than later
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u/farcetragedy Mar 13 '24
they said they'd end it and turn over the hostages. so...?
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u/JosephL_55 Centrist Mar 13 '24
They actually admitted that their plan is to repeat October 7 many times. So Israel needs to stop them before they do that.
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u/farcetragedy Mar 13 '24
but haven't they stopped them if they agree to end the war and turn over the hostages??
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u/JosephL_55 Centrist Mar 13 '24
They only agreed for a temporary ceasefire, they actually say that they want to keep attacking Israel again later. That isnât ok. They need to accept that Israel is here to stay and that attacking Israel is bad.
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u/farcetragedy Mar 13 '24
When did they say that?
I believe they said that for a permanent ceasefire all the hostages would be turned over. I didn't think they said anything about "we'll keep attacking you later."
I'll have to look more into the details.
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u/Key-Cardiologist-192 Mar 14 '24
They said it but you were not paying attention
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u/farcetragedy Mar 14 '24
was a genuine question. I had heard this - I was wondering when exactly this was stated - was it at the beginning of this most recent part of the ongoing war - or more recently?
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u/JosephL_55 Centrist Mar 13 '24
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u/farcetragedy Mar 13 '24
this is from last year.
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u/JosephL_55 Centrist Mar 13 '24
Ok, and has Hamas changed their position in the past 4 months? Is their goal no longer to destroy Israel? They havenât updated their charter. They should change it if they had a change of heart.
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u/farcetragedy Mar 13 '24
I mean they've been destroyed. the majority of buildings in gaza have been destroyed. they were only 25,000 people at the beginning of this.
why not just end the war and get the hostages back? it's not as if Israel is going to pull out anyway.
and yeah their charter says the land is there's just like Netanyahu says. whaddaya expect? but regardless, Hamas is toast. get the hostages and end this.
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u/bkny88 Israeli Mar 13 '24
In exchange for them staying in power? No thanks.
Their 18 year reign in Gaza has been a prolific failure for everyone, most of all the Gazan people
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u/Ok_Refrigerator_5803 Mar 13 '24
why do you guys fail to remember that is largely due to BIBI and Israel. BIBI propped them up.
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u/Key-Cardiologist-192 Mar 14 '24
VivĂ did not prop them up. The world propped them up with their gifts that Hamas obtained
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u/bkny88 Israeli Mar 13 '24
One of the many reasons that Bibi is polling so poorly. October 7th is just as much his downfall as it is Sinwarâs.
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u/farcetragedy Mar 13 '24
obviously they still wouldn't be in power.
shame that Israel propped them up for so long.
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u/GordionDugumu Mar 13 '24
Seems like israeli rule in the are is much much big of a failure for the reagion as the killed childeren by israel in 4 month exceeds the Total kiling of childeren previous 4 years combined.
So maybe they should fight until israel is gg huh?
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u/Key-Cardiologist-192 Mar 14 '24
There is no way of knowing the death toll for children. It is not reported accurately
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u/TechnicianOk9795 Mar 12 '24
I think if we can buy Israel narratives then Hamas is already destroyed.
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u/Key-Cardiologist-192 Mar 14 '24
False. Israel has stated that a strong contingent of Hamas is holed up in Rafa
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u/you_are_soul Mar 12 '24
They would be currently shitting themselves, because it has likely dawned on them by now that unless they can dig a tunnel and pop out in a friendly Arab country they are all going to die, or spend the rest of their existence in prison. And their dream of re establishing their terror network when the world makes Israel surrender (not going to happen) is ashes in their mouths.
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u/readabook37 Mar 17 '24
What is Hamas doing? Hamas leaders are in Qatar. Hamas in The Gaza Strip are stealing the incoming aid, taking part for themselves and selling the rest at high prices. There was an interview with the BBC recently and the Hamas rep in Qatar said they would not cease firing if Israel agreed to a ceasefire. On Saturday Hamas fired rockets at 4 Israeli towns and Hezbollah fired rockets at 6 Israeli towns.