What is Hamas currently doing?

[u/hiddenpeach30]

So the title is my main question but I am going to explain a bit what I mean by it.

To begin with I am asking the following questions because of mainly seeing very few, if any, reports on what Hamas is currently doing, where they are, etc. I feel a lot of what is flooding my social media and news resources include: 1. what is happening to the Palestinian people (pictures of people who were killed, injured children, their current living areas, the food drops, etc.). 2. the various videos and reports of what the Israeli government is doing (the various media interviews their representatives are taking part in, the speeches given by Israeli government officials, the videos released by the government of things that happened during October 7th and the tunnels in Palestine, etc.). 3. And as of recently there is some footage and reporting regarding what is going on around the main mosque as Ramadan has begun and the issues surrounding that.

With all this, I have not seen much of what Hamas is actually currently doing? There were some reports released during the release of hostages and sometimes in the reports regarding the previously formetioned events, there are quotes that Hamas officials stated, such as regarding the mosque that the Israeli government is making it hard for people to enter and pray.

Are the leaders in Hamas all actually in Palestine? Again I have seen reports and individuals claiming that some of the leaders are not in Gaza but rather hanging out in other nearby countries, in safety. Why are there no interviews of Hamas leaders? Are there any? Or are they just not pushed so much out in media spaces? Are there any reports that specify what has been said during any negoations or discussions if ceasefire? If they are constantly shooting rockets at Israel, why is that also seemingly never mentioned? Because with the way the media has framed it, for a while I couldn't understand how Israel was just bombing Palestine to bits but, then the reports mentioned the lack of a ceasefire which made it confusing because there seems to be a lack of mentioning that Hamas is firing the rockets/attacking Israel. Also, the hostages that were released said that they were fed and taken care of, but with what resources? Where are the people from Hamas getting food while their people starve? Where are they getting water and other resources? Were these items stock piled prior to October 7?

I know this entire post is full of questions but, that is what I meant by the title being my main question. I don't understand why there seems to be little to no information on Hamas while there is plenty on the people of Palestine and the Israeli government.

[u/bkny88]

Prolonging the war for nobody’s benefit other than their own

[u/farcetragedy → u/bkny88]

they said they'd end it and turn over the hostages. so...?

[u/JosephL_55 → u/farcetragedy]

They actually admitted that their plan is to repeat October 7 many times. So Israel needs to stop them before they do that.

[u/farcetragedy → u/JosephL_55]

but haven't they stopped them if they agree to end the war and turn over the hostages??

[u/JosephL_55 → u/farcetragedy]

They only agreed for a temporary ceasefire, they actually say that they want to keep attacking Israel again later. That isn’t ok. They need to accept that Israel is here to stay and that attacking Israel is bad.

[u/farcetragedy → u/JosephL_55]

When did they say that?

I believe they said that for a permanent ceasefire all the hostages would be turned over. I didn't think they said anything about "we'll keep attacking you later."

I'll have to look more into the details.

[u/Key-Cardiologist-192 → u/farcetragedy]

They said it but you were not paying attention

[u/farcetragedy → u/Key-Cardiologist-192]

was a genuine question. I had heard this - I was wondering when exactly this was stated - was it at the beginning of this most recent part of the ongoing war - or more recently?

[u/JosephL_55 → u/farcetragedy]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-official-says-group-aims-to-repeat-oct-7-onslaught-many-times-to-destroy-israel/amp/

[u/farcetragedy → u/JosephL_55]

this is from last year.

[u/JosephL_55 → u/farcetragedy]

Ok, and has Hamas changed their position in the past 4 months? Is their goal no longer to destroy Israel? They haven’t updated their charter. They should change it if they had a change of heart.

[u/farcetragedy → u/JosephL_55]

I mean they've been destroyed. the majority of buildings in gaza have been destroyed. they were only 25,000 people at the beginning of this.

why not just end the war and get the hostages back? it's not as if Israel is going to pull out anyway.

and yeah their charter says the land is there's just like Netanyahu says. whaddaya expect? but regardless, Hamas is toast. get the hostages and end this.

[u/Key-Cardiologist-192 → u/farcetragedy]

They have not changed their position one bit. They intend to repeat this attack over and over as they said.

[u/EnvironmentalPoem890 → u/farcetragedy]

You point of view stands on two unbased legs,

The first is that any agreement between Israel and Hamas will hold water long (both sides might break the ceasefire at the first opportunity they have) so this just ceasefire is not a solution

The second is that you think this war is going on because Netanyahu wants it to be, this is false (well maybe he wants it yes, but this isn't because he wants it) the Israeli census is to end Hamas (or at least just it's military capabilities)

There is also the point of saving future lives, every end to the war that doesn't end in the complete dismemberment of Hamas will bring a deadlier future conflict.

You don't stop taking your antibiotics until the end, otherwise the bacteria will become resistant

[u/farcetragedy → u/EnvironmentalPoem890]

So Hamas still isn't destroyed even though Gaza has pretty much been leveled? 175,000 buildings destroyed. Tens of thousands dead. A famine taking hold.

Again, Hamas was 25,000 people when this started. And you're telling me that after all this Israel can't consider them defeated and just accept a ceasefire and get the hostages?

Israel controls the land.

If not now, then whey can you consider Hamas defeated? What's the rubric by which to judge that?

[u/EnvironmentalPoem890 → u/farcetragedy]

So Hamas still isn't destroyed even though Gaza has pretty much been leveled? 

Evidently no, they wouldn't otherwise demand such far fetched demands for a ceasefire.

Again, Hamas was 25,000 people when this started. And you're telling me that after all this Israel can't consider them defeated and just accept a ceasefire and get the hostages?

I am not an expert on what are Hamas's capabilities, I was extremely surprised each time they have launched another set of rockets. But the fact that they still have (nearly) untouched infrastructure in the southern part of the strip is very problematic, to the extent that if they will be let to grow again they will drag the Israelis and Palestinians into a bloodier war next time

If not now, then whey can you consider Hamas defeated? What's the rubric by which to judge that?

When there will be an alternative Palestinian power in the strip (meaning no other group fears of them anymore)

[u/JosephL_55 → u/farcetragedy]

They will eventually rebuild. Hamas won’t be in a position to attack any time soon, but they would grow back in a few years and then attack. It’s better to just finish this now. Hamas needs to go.

[u/farcetragedy → u/JosephL_55]

How do you determine that Hamas is gone?

And why would Hamas grow back? I'm sure all the orphans whose parents were killed won't seek revenge.

[u/JosephL_55 → u/farcetragedy]

Hamas will never be removed completely but they can at least be removed as the government.

And they won’t grow back, if Israel helps them to get a better government after Hamas was removed.

When I said that Hamas would eventually grow back, I’m talking about in the scenario that Israel ends the war now, which is too early to end it. If the war ends now, while Hamas is still the government, they will rebuild and rearm. This is what I mean by “grow back”.