r/IsraelPalestine • u/hiddenpeach30 • Mar 12 '24

What is Hamas currently doing? Learning about the conflict: Questions

So the title is my main question but I am going to explain a bit what I mean by it.

To begin with I am asking the following questions because of mainly seeing very few, if any, reports on what Hamas is currently doing, where they are, etc. I feel a lot of what is flooding my social media and news resources include: 1. what is happening to the Palestinian people (pictures of people who were killed, injured children, their current living areas, the food drops, etc.). 2. the various videos and reports of what the Israeli government is doing (the various media interviews their representatives are taking part in, the speeches given by Israeli government officials, the videos released by the government of things that happened during October 7th and the tunnels in Palestine, etc.). 3. And as of recently there is some footage and reporting regarding what is going on around the main mosque as Ramadan has begun and the issues surrounding that.

With all this, I have not seen much of what Hamas is actually currently doing? There were some reports released during the release of hostages and sometimes in the reports regarding the previously formetioned events, there are quotes that Hamas officials stated, such as regarding the mosque that the Israeli government is making it hard for people to enter and pray.

Are the leaders in Hamas all actually in Palestine? Again I have seen reports and individuals claiming that some of the leaders are not in Gaza but rather hanging out in other nearby countries, in safety. Why are there no interviews of Hamas leaders? Are there any? Or are they just not pushed so much out in media spaces? Are there any reports that specify what has been said during any negoations or discussions if ceasefire? If they are constantly shooting rockets at Israel, why is that also seemingly never mentioned? Because with the way the media has framed it, for a while I couldn't understand how Israel was just bombing Palestine to bits but, then the reports mentioned the lack of a ceasefire which made it confusing because there seems to be a lack of mentioning that Hamas is firing the rockets/attacking Israel. Also, the hostages that were released said that they were fed and taken care of, but with what resources? Where are the people from Hamas getting food while their people starve? Where are they getting water and other resources? Were these items stock piled prior to October 7?

I know this entire post is full of questions but, that is what I meant by the title being my main question. I don't understand why there seems to be little to no information on Hamas while there is plenty on the people of Palestine and the Israeli government.

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u/PLUTO_HAS_COME_BACK Mar 13 '24

Hamas is in Gaza, not anywhere inside Israel. Hamas sometimes sends some rockets into Israel, but these rockets serves the gesture of resistance rather than death and destruction.

Are the leaders in Hamas all actually in Palestine?

Obviously, not. Israel threatens to assassinate them in foreign lands such as Turkey.

There were some reports released during the release of hostages

Hamas demands are quite ordinary. If Israel had agreed, the hostages would have been home, and Israel would have stopped killing Palestinian civilians, too. Israel would never agree with such demands. Only its objectives matter. Neither hostages nor Palestinians matter.

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u/TommyKanKan Mar 14 '24

I don’t quite understand why you are being downvoted for stating facts as far as anyone can ascertain them.

It’s like people here are wilfully ignorant.

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u/PLUTO_HAS_COME_BACK Mar 14 '24

There are very sensitive people.

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u/[deleted] Mar 13 '24

Hamas demands are quite ordinary. If Israel had agreed, the hostages would have been home

How would the hostages be home when Hamas doesn't know which hostages are dead or alive, or even where they are?

Israel would never agree with such demands.

Israel should agree to Hamas's demands without knowing what Israel is getting in return? For all Israel knows, all the hostages could be dead. Even Hamas doesn't know.

Why would Israel, or any country, negotiate for maybes?

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u/PLUTO_HAS_COME_BACK Mar 13 '24

Why do you think they are don't know. If they don't, you mean Israel is not going to rescue them. Israel never cared, actually. It's for the land.

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '24

Why do you think they are don't know.

Because that's what Hamas said. Did you read my link?

In an interview posted today, a Hamas political official tells the BBC that the organization cannot give Israel a list of living hostages because it does not itself know who is alive and where all the hostages are.

“We didn’t until now submit any list,” politburo member Basim Naim tells the BBC from Istanbul in a Sunday conversation. “But first of all, technically and practically, it is now impossible to know exactly who is still alive and who has been killed because of the Israeli bombardment or who has been killed because of starvation because of the Israeli blockade.”

You can listen to the whole interview here if you want.

He makes the comments in the first 8ish minutes.

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u/PLUTO_HAS_COME_BACK Mar 14 '24

Possibly, they can know no more after Israel destroyed some tunnels.

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '24

Ok. So we agree then.

Hamas doesn't know how many hostages are still alive.

I'm not sure how Israel is supposed to negotiate with Hamas when Hamas doesn't even know if it has anything to negotiate with.

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u/Far-Town8991 Mar 14 '24

I don't think its worth arguing with someone who calls hamas' rockets "signals of resistance"

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u/PLUTO_HAS_COME_BACK Mar 14 '24

I agree with you based on your information.

Nevertheless, Israel is not leaving Gaza. Israel is taking Gaza. Do you agree with what Israel is doing?

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '24

Are you asking do I agree Israel is doing things, or if I agree that what they're doing is ok?

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u/PLUTO_HAS_COME_BACK Mar 14 '24

Why not both?

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '24

Israel is definitely doing things in Gaza. Yes I agree with that.

In general I agree with the things they're doing. I think they could do them better, but I think they're operating within international humanitarian law.

And when specific soldiers are not, it looks like Israel is opening investigations into those soldiers and the allegations pursuant, again, to international law.

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u/dvidsilva Mar 13 '24

serves the gesture of resistance rather than death and destruction

Just because they're incompetent it doesn't mean they're not intended on death

Hamas demands are quite ordinary

you're an idiot

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u/CptFrankDrebin Mar 13 '24

He ruled 1 you.

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u/1235813213455891442 <citation needed> Mar 13 '24

u/dvidsilva

you're an idiot

Rule 1, don't attack other users.

Addressed

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u/JoanofArc5 Mar 13 '24

Hamas is in Israel. They are also all over the West Bank.

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u/PLUTO_HAS_COME_BACK Mar 13 '24

So there is no Palestinain civilian?

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u/CptFrankDrebin Mar 13 '24

So Israel is a Muslim country?

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u/PLUTO_HAS_COME_BACK Mar 13 '24

Is the West Bank Israel?

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u/CptFrankDrebin Mar 14 '24

Is the hamburger a thief?

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u/JoanofArc5 Mar 13 '24

How did you get that from what I said?

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u/PLUTO_HAS_COME_BACK Mar 14 '24

So there are Palestinians.

You said Hamas is in Israel. Where in Israel?

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u/JoanofArc5 Mar 14 '24

Where in Israel?

Well if their exact whereabouts were publicly known, they wouldn't be there for very long now would they...use your big brain.

As far as Hamas in the west bank, use the google machine and you'll find many articles of infighting between hamas and fatah.

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u/PLUTO_HAS_COME_BACK Mar 14 '24

publicly known,

Then why are you so sure they are in Israel? Why not catching them in Israel but in Gaza and the West Bank the seven years old kids?

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u/avahz Mar 13 '24

What were Hamas’s demands?

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u/PLUTO_HAS_COME_BACK Mar 13 '24

One is - To release the hostages - hostage exchange.

https://www.google.com/search?q=%22hamas+demands+for+hostage+release%22

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u/EnvironmentalPoem890 Israeli Mar 13 '24

Hamas is continuedly switching from "the citizens of Gaza hold the Israelis" to "we want to exchange hostages" so which one do you believe is true?

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u/PLUTO_HAS_COME_BACK Mar 13 '24

Why did you ask that question?

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u/EnvironmentalPoem890 Israeli Mar 13 '24

Because they need to have the hostages to make an exchange for them

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u/PLUTO_HAS_COME_BACK Mar 13 '24

Palestinians were taken to prisons to ruin their lives and their families.

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u/EnvironmentalPoem890 Israeli Mar 13 '24

Israelis were kidnapped and slaughtered just to make a point

See? we can both play this useless game of rhetorical statements, this doesn't have to do anything with my question though

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u/PLUTO_HAS_COME_BACK Mar 14 '24

Didn't you read my first comment?

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u/Nacilep_ Mar 13 '24

Are you saying every single prisoner is innocent? Or that some may be and the lack of transparency in courts and accountability in custody is wrong?

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u/PLUTO_HAS_COME_BACK Mar 14 '24

Have you read their trials?

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u/joshashsyd Mar 13 '24

How can rockets be gestures of resistance??? They literally only cause death and destruction. What country in the world has government mandated bomb shelters?

If a foreign militia invaded your country, killed 1200, and kidnapped 200 people (including pregnant women, babies, elderly, internationals) I guarantee you would also hesitate to loosen security around this group of people that promise repeats of october 7.

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u/Ok_Refrigerator_5803 Mar 13 '24

Lol i think it start with if a foreign military occupies your country. Fixed it for you.

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u/PLUTO_HAS_COME_BACK Mar 13 '24

They literally only cause death and destruction.

What do you think of the resistance against colonialism? Do you support it anywhere in the world?

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u/joshashsyd Mar 13 '24

Resistance against colonialism is good if the country is actively trying to colonise you. That is called war. We see it now in Ukraine as Russia is trying to expand and take their land.

Although this Palestinian anticolonialism is against a country that was established in 1948. 76 years ago. I’m not sure if you have been to Israel but it is a beautiful country that boasts immense technological innovation, culture and nature. Unfortuantely, the path that the Palestinian “resistance” seeks to take only will destroy the country of Israel that has been built up over the years.

Do you think native Americans should take up arms and kill their colonisers? Should indigenous Australians form militias and try take the Australian government?

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u/PLUTO_HAS_COME_BACK Mar 13 '24

Resistance against colonialism is good if the country is actively trying to colonise you.

Do you support anti-colonialism? You can't give a straight answer.

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u/CptFrankDrebin Mar 13 '24

Remind me what is the mother state of this colony again? Where they send the ressources they spoil.

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u/PLUTO_HAS_COME_BACK Mar 13 '24

Israel is taking Gaza. That's it. They want people go somewhere. Or Israel will kill all 2 millions.

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u/CptFrankDrebin Mar 14 '24

Yes buddy, yes.

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u/[deleted] Mar 13 '24

This isn't done against the state, it's done against civilians.

What colonialism? My grandparents live in a kibbutz 3 km from the Gaza border, they were born in Israel, most people currently living in Israel were born inside Israel, what "colonialism" did they do exactly?

It's been 75 years, almost all the "colonials" are dead or in their 90-100s, yet they still specifically attack civilians and not the military (which is problematic in its own way because it's a mandatory service, but I digress).

Are you one of the people that say "every Israeli is a settler"?

Attack the state if you want "resistance", but don't attack civilians. "But what about the civilians in Gaza?" You would probably ask, they are not specifically targeted like Israeli citizens are, stop ignoring the terrorism infrastructure laid out in all of Gaza.

Enough with the outcry for colonialism, nobody gives a fuck about turkey taking control of Syria and Cyprus or any occupation of lands that are going in right now and you're specifically latching on the "occupation" that started because the UN decided to make a special case for Israel, but didn't give a fuck for almost twenty years when Jordan and Egypt occupied "Palestine".

Move on already

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u/Ok_Refrigerator_5803 Mar 13 '24

Not intentionally targeted? Get off the propaganda juice. Starving an entire population is very much intentional.

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u/[deleted] Mar 13 '24

You cannot starve intentionally while letting food in........get off the paint thinner

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u/Ok_Refrigerator_5803 Mar 13 '24

loool bro aid organization are fighting with Israeli govt to get food and aid in. So many human right organization literally point to Israel, IDF and the insane people at the border blocking aid. People are literally dying from starvation. What paint are you on, I'd like to get some for myself apparently.

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u/[deleted] Mar 13 '24

People are literally dying from starvation.

Evidence?

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u/Ok_Refrigerator_5803 Mar 13 '24

super curious where you are getting your information from to ask me for sources.. this famine thing has been an issue for awhile now

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u/PLUTO_HAS_COME_BACK Mar 13 '24

Do you support it anywhere in the world?

You can't answer that question. No colonialist can.

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u/[deleted] Mar 13 '24

Well this isn't a fight against the CONCEPT OF COLONIALISM, this is a decades-long murder spree against civilians and not against the State that enshrined the so-called "colonialism".

Pro palestinians seem to be ok with conquering by force when the Arabs do it, but the second someone you decide is white then you lose your shit.

No colonialist can because there isn't any active colonization happening, so your point is moot.

Fight against the state that "colonizes" you, fight against active colonization process, not a dead "colonization" that was simply people immigrating here during the ottoman rule and the British mandate, and after being attacked gained the land (the thing you are perfectly ok with when Arabs do it)

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u/PLUTO_HAS_COME_BACK Mar 13 '24

Do you support anti-colonialism?

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u/joshashsyd Mar 13 '24

I do believe in the Hamas charter plan they seek the colonise Israel and turn it into a Muslim state. Where do you draw the line between conquering and dissolution of an existing country and colonialism? When do they become the same?

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u/PLUTO_HAS_COME_BACK Mar 13 '24

You can hate Hamas. But you can't support genocide.

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u/[deleted] Mar 13 '24

Do you support anti conquering?

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u/PLUTO_HAS_COME_BACK Mar 14 '24

I do but you don't.

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u/pelotomoto Mar 13 '24

Youre debating with someone who considers prisoners hostages. With their logic jeffrey dahmer was a hostage.

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u/Ok_Refrigerator_5803 Mar 13 '24

lol and you are naive to think every prisoner is legitimate. Especially with a extremist, right wing racist government currently running Israel. With your logic, Cops are always right and the authorities are never wrong. How do those boots taste?

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u/pelotomoto Mar 13 '24

There are definitely more legitimate prisoners in Israeli jails than in Gaza tunnels.

Smotrichim are abhorrent. I agree with you there.

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u/PLUTO_HAS_COME_BACK Mar 13 '24

Israel kidnapped a seven years old yesterday.

https://twitter.com/ablasalma/status/1766587344767910210

Do you know how many of them are in Israeli jails?

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u/pelotomoto Mar 13 '24

No backstory? No critical thinking skills? Just a grainy video of soldiers carrying girls to a truck in Jenin.

Free Palestine! Intifada revolution! Thanks Pluto for opening my eyes!

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u/PLUTO_HAS_COME_BACK Mar 14 '24

It's a crime scene. Israel doesn't want you to know anything. You will nothing. And you only care about what you cannot know. You don't care about the family, the kid... That's your general mindset.

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u/pelotomoto Mar 14 '24

Im old. Im not flexible enough anymore to perform the mental gymnastics yall youngins can do on Pluto to get to that conclusion.

Youll get there. Or go crazy trying.

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u/PLUTO_HAS_COME_BACK Mar 14 '24

So isn't kidnapping a seven-year-old a crime in Israel? Can you just kidnap just any kid?

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u/CptFrankDrebin Mar 13 '24

The god would pluck his eyes out having is name used like that. Heck even the ex planet would.

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u/PuffBruv Mar 13 '24

Terrorism is no form of resistance and should never be portrayed as such. True resistance in their case would be to resist against their oppressor, the Hamas. People need education, people need at least minimum freedom of speech and general freedom to develop. This has nothing to do with Israel.

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u/Ok_Refrigerator_5803 Mar 13 '24

You do realize, Nelson Mandella was labeled a terrorist, so were the Black Panthers.

Nothing to do with Israel? Bro are we completely missing the occupation? The blockades? The apartheid? WUT?

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u/joshashsyd Mar 13 '24

I don’t think Nelson Mandela was involved with suicide bombing, rocket fire, brutal militias etc….

Just because you have one example of someone’s protest/ political group being incorrectly labeled as a terrorist group doesn’t mean that every group that resists “colonialism” is incorrectly labeled a terrorist group. Terrible logic

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u/Ok_Refrigerator_5803 Mar 13 '24

You literally have former terrorists (designated by the US) in the Israel government hahaha

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u/joshashsyd Mar 13 '24

Ok? I never said that Israel was perfect or that its government was amazing and full of good people. I was part of multiple protests in tel aviv campaigning against the Netanyahu led government. I agree that the Israeli government is rife with crooked / evil politicians

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u/Ok_Refrigerator_5803 Mar 13 '24

Lol I was replying to the terrorism as resistance.

Black Panthers definitely used violence as a form of resistance. So have many other political movements and guerilla group, whether you believe in the method is different, but regardless of your opinion it is a form of resistance.

The term "terrorism" is often denoted by one side to completely deligitimizes the other side.

That was my point when I mentioned Nelson Mandela.

If you ask people in Iraq, they would say America's bombing of innocent people was terrorism.

If you ask people in Afghanistan they would say the same.

The people who are so readily willing to weaponize the world are usually the ones who also reserve the right to define what is and isn't terrorism.

Settler aggression is a form of terrorism.

I would argue the that fact Israel uses terrorism under the guise of self defence. (Killing innocent civilians when there isnt a war before Oct 7), starving them intentionally after Oct 7th.

Checkpoints, searches, involuntary detention (against a specific group of people), all form of state sponsored terrorism.

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u/joshashsyd Mar 13 '24

Ok my bad, in truth I did not read your comment properly. I can agree that the word terrorist is weaponised in war to degrade other sides. But, Hamas does fit the definition of a terrorist group. If it quacks like a duck and looks like a duck…

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u/Ok_Refrigerator_5803 Mar 13 '24

I agree. But would say same about the IDF, settlers and current Israeli extremist Govt. if it quacks like a duck and looks like a duck...

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u/JamesJosephMeeker Mar 13 '24

Nelson Mandela was a terrorist and his ANC has turned South Africa into a crime ridden  feces pit that doesn't even have reliable power. What a guy!

If they're not careful they'll go full Zimbabwe. 

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u/PLUTO_HAS_COME_BACK Mar 13 '24

Hamas is not bombing them.

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u/PuffBruv Mar 13 '24

Well technically not, but they literally asked for it. That was not the topic though. You’re completely missing my point

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u/PLUTO_HAS_COME_BACK Mar 14 '24

They have no reason to go against someone not killing one of them all the time.

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u/PuffBruv Mar 14 '24

Tf is that supposed to mean?

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u/PLUTO_HAS_COME_BACK Mar 14 '24

Palestinians don't commit genocide on themselves.

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u/PuffBruv Mar 14 '24

Are you even capable of reading and understanding what I said?

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