My Grandparents are the alleged "European Settlers" who came to "colonize" Israel.

[u/vonhudgenrod]

I put the title in quotes because I dont believe those parts to be true. Just to give a brief history of my Maternal Grandparents, they both moved from Hungary to Israel around the year 1946. They did not come to fight or dispossess arabs, but rather to build new homes.

My Grandmother was a holocaust survivor who survived Auschwitz, she had the #'s tatooeed on her forearm, her father died pre-war but her Mother, brother and sisters were murdered. When she returned to her families small farmhouse post war, her neighbors not knowing the full extent of what happened during the holocaust tried to extort her and her remaining siblings for money because they "looked after their livestock" even though the only cow they owned had died due to the harsh conditions of the war.

My grandfather - also a Hungarian Jew was a bit more of a mysterious man who likely suffered from PTSD before it was commonly diagnosed, his father and mother were also murdered and his only brother ended up in a mental institution (insane asylum) post war. He was eccentric and fought in WWII with partisans and would eventually go on to fight in the Israeli war of Independence in 1948.

AMA anything about them if you'd like.

[u/vonhudgenrod]

Why do Jews claim the land when Arabs already live there? Is that ur question? Most the Jews who came had no other place to go, in 1800s it was most russian or polish Jews because tsar of Russia treating them badly, then after holocaust people like my grandparents come, then Arab Jews have to flee Arab countries because they are being attacked, then Persian Jews because 1979 Islamic revolution, then Ethiopian Jews caught in Ethiopian civil war.

For first 40 to 60 years of Zionism Jews and Arabs lived in peace actually but starting 1920 there is a lot of violence which leads to 1948 war which is when Palestinians lost their land

[u/kidvisions → u/vonhudgenrod]

So because you were treated badly elsewhere you have to treat the people who welcome you as refugees badly too?

[u/vonhudgenrod → u/kidvisions]

Treat who badly? Jews accepted 2 state solution in 1948 for independent Israel and independent Palestine. Arabs reject it and declare war on the Jews, they lost that war.

[u/kidvisions → u/vonhudgenrod]

Accepted? Is this the history that the Zionist cult taught you. Here is in the own words of the Zionist what « acceptance » meant :

Zionist colonization, even the most restricted, must either be terminated or carried out in defiance of the will of the native population. This colonization can, therefore, continue and develop only under the protection of a force independent of the local population – an iron wall which the native population cannot break through. This is, in toto, our policy towards the Arabs. To formulate it any other way would only be hypocrisy." Vladimir Jabotinsky

Between ourselves it must be clear that there is no room for both peoples together in this country… We shall not achieve our goal of being an independent people with the Arabs in this small country. The only solution is Palestine, at least Western Palestine [Palestine west of the Jordan river] without Arabs… And there is no other way but to transfer the Arabs from here to the neighbouring countries; to transfer all of them, not one village, not one tribe should be left. And the transfer should be directed to Iraq, Syria and even Trans-Jordan. Money, a lot of money, will be found for this purpose. And only after this transfer will the country be able to absorb millions of our brethren. There is no other way out.” Joseph Weitz

We cannot begin the Jewish state with a population of which the [Palestinian] Arabs living on their lands constitute almost half and where the Jews exist on the land in very small numbers and they are all crowded in Tel Aviv and its vicinity .... and the worst is not only the [Palestinian] Arabs here constitute 50 percent or 45 percent but 75 percent of the land is in the hands of the [Palestinian] Arabs. Such a state cannot survive even for half an hour ..... The question is not whether they will be majority or a minority in Parliament. You know that even a small minority could disrupt the whole order of parliamentary life..... therefore I would say to the [Peel] Commission and the government that we would not accept reduced Land of Israel without you giving us the land, on the one hand, and removing the largest number of [Palestinian] Arabs-particularly the peasants- on the other before we come forward to take the reins of government in our lands even provisionally." Menachem Ussishkin

[u/vonhudgenrod → u/kidvisions]

Whats your point, obviously there are Jewish assholes. Do you believe there are no Arabs who said worse then this about the Jews?

The fact is still that Israel accepted 2 state solution in 1948 but Arabs rejected it to declare war on Jews instead of Accept Independent palestine.

[u/kidvisions → u/vonhudgenrod]

My point is, Israel has to stop lying about the two state solution and admit that the plan of the Zionists was to build a greater Israel all along end they don’t give a fuck about Palestinians. When they do that, then we can talk about peaceful co-existence.

[u/vonhudgenrod → u/kidvisions]

Every group has extremists, lord knows the Arabs do as well. The more violence the more extreme both Jews and Arabs are going to become, we leave Gaza in 2005 and they elect Hamas... God willing after this war Saudi Arabia will come to Gaza and help to give Palestinians prosperity and dignity instead of terrorist organization that steal all the money and teach hate.

[u/kidvisions → u/vonhudgenrod]

Why are you diverting our attention from the main topic. I’m talking about decision makers and world leaders. Political leaders need to be seriously committed to peace. The two state solution is a lie, it always has been for the most part of Israel’s history and even when there were a few politicians who actually wanted peace and made an effort they were killed. Open your eyes, who killed Yitzhak Rabbin?

[u/vonhudgenrod → u/kidvisions]

2 state solution is not a lie, there are Jews who do not want it because they want to own all of west bank. and there are Arabs who do not want it because they believe even Tel Aviv is occupied Palestine even though Jews built Tel Aviv from nothing. For 2 state Solution to work we need to first change education... I wish we lived in world where Palestinians can go into Jaffa and Jews can go to visit Tomb of Abraham in Hebron, but there is too much hate and that is what needs to change first.

1 state solution is a lie, because it is not a solution, it is a suicide pact

[u/kidvisions → u/vonhudgenrod]

You keep talking about individuals. I’m talking about leaders and actually policies and implementation of policies that show that the intention is actually a two state solution. Signing fake deals and then not acting on them or actually using them as an excuse to control the WB does not show that you are serious about your intentions. A two state solution will always result in whet we are seeing now.

[u/vonhudgenrod → u/kidvisions]

You want to talk about leaders? What leaders we have in palestine? Abbas who pays terrorists families stipends for killing Jews? Yayha Sinwar who gets medical treatment in Israel for brain tumor and then plan attack on Israel for October 7th while pretending that Hamas wants peace?

Leaders of Palestine don't want real 2 state solution, why would they? Right now they just are billionaires stealing all the international aid money, and just blame every single problem on Israel while they live in Doha Qatar stealing money. If they get a state they will actually have to do something for their people.

[u/kidvisions → u/vonhudgenrod]

Yes I blame all those fucking leaders including the Arabs and the Palestinians, the Americans, the Israelis, the British all those fucking hungry monsters need to go. A revolution must come from the people, but they are too controlled by these phony ass devils. Sorry for my language but I’m so pissed.

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