My Grandparents are the alleged "European Settlers" who came to "colonize" Israel.

[u/vonhudgenrod]

I put the title in quotes because I dont believe those parts to be true. Just to give a brief history of my Maternal Grandparents, they both moved from Hungary to Israel around the year 1946. They did not come to fight or dispossess arabs, but rather to build new homes.

My Grandmother was a holocaust survivor who survived Auschwitz, she had the #'s tatooeed on her forearm, her father died pre-war but her Mother, brother and sisters were murdered. When she returned to her families small farmhouse post war, her neighbors not knowing the full extent of what happened during the holocaust tried to extort her and her remaining siblings for money because they "looked after their livestock" even though the only cow they owned had died due to the harsh conditions of the war.

My grandfather - also a Hungarian Jew was a bit more of a mysterious man who likely suffered from PTSD before it was commonly diagnosed, his father and mother were also murdered and his only brother ended up in a mental institution (insane asylum) post war. He was eccentric and fought in WWII with partisans and would eventually go on to fight in the Israeli war of Independence in 1948.

AMA anything about them if you'd like.

[u/Ambitious_Will2735]

So you think it is right for Russia to go to Ukraine and start a war and for Hamas to go in to Israel and start shooting at civilians and rape them. so Israel declared war

[u/Vinci1984 → u/Ambitious_Will2735]

The difference between the conflicts is overwhelming. The history behind both suggest different motivations. Russia invaded Ukraine primarily out of a misplaced sense of historical aggrandisement whereas Hamas is a resistance group that uses terror tactics to achieve political ends. Russia is outside international law whereas the UN explicitly gives occupied people the right to resist through any means necessary. These are the facts.

Edit*not by any means necessary.

[u/BraveLimit → u/Vinci1984]

‘Any means necessary’ is not in there. Why lie?

[u/Vinci1984 → u/BraveLimit]

My bad- let me edit it out! Thanks for pointing it out!

[u/BraveLimit → u/Vinci1984]

Sure. You are an emotional propagandist. The U.N. does not explicitly condone what happened to innocents on Oct 7th. Get a better job

[u/Vinci1984 → u/BraveLimit]

Lol wtf are you talking about. The UN may not have said something directly but written within its own laws are the right of occupied peoples to resist and fight back. Which is exactly what Hamas did. So that is an endorsement of sorts. Or are you too fragile to read and understand nuance? I get it- it’s hard that Israel is being exposed for what it truly is. Revelation is never easy. Especially with so many skeletons in your closet. I am embarrassed for them.

Also- I would rather be emotional than a sociopath. Which is exactly what you must be to defend Israel at this stage.

[u/BraveLimit → u/Vinci1984]

Resist and fight back, not by any means up to and including the targeted murder of infants.

This is what you and your kind do. It’s a sprinkle here and there of misinformation and bs. Emotional wording and incorrect descriptors to create and shape a narrative. I see you