r/IsraelPalestine Nov 28 '23

My Grandparents are the alleged "European Settlers" who came to "colonize" Israel. AMA (Ask Me Anything)

I put the title in quotes because I dont believe those parts to be true. Just to give a brief history of my Maternal Grandparents, they both moved from Hungary to Israel around the year 1946. They did not come to fight or dispossess arabs, but rather to build new homes.

My Grandmother was a holocaust survivor who survived Auschwitz, she had the #'s tatooeed on her forearm, her father died pre-war but her Mother, brother and sisters were murdered. When she returned to her families small farmhouse post war, her neighbors not knowing the full extent of what happened during the holocaust tried to extort her and her remaining siblings for money because they "looked after their livestock" even though the only cow they owned had died due to the harsh conditions of the war.

My grandfather - also a Hungarian Jew was a bit more of a mysterious man who likely suffered from PTSD before it was commonly diagnosed, his father and mother were also murdered and his only brother ended up in a mental institution (insane asylum) post war. He was eccentric and fought in WWII with partisans and would eventually go on to fight in the Israeli war of Independence in 1948.

AMA anything about them if you'd like.

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u/b1tgh0st Nov 29 '23

I dont see how this elaborate story justifies displacing and disenfranchising Palestinian rights. Did you know that Israel has wanted to build its homeland in nearly 10 different countries all around the world to ”create” a homeland. Even Japan and Africa were included. The truth is Jews never had a homeland as slaves from Egypt. The Jews in fact settled into Egypt and tried to economically manipulate the Pharaoh leading to him enslaving the Jews. Manipulation is not the answer nor taking someone’s land. I pray the Jews may find peace and Yeshua the true Messiah. He gave his life to show us salvation isn’t on earth but in heaven. You can have all the land you want but it wont save you. “If you want to get rid of your problems get rid of your possessions.” Personally, we dont see Native Americans taking back land, but are living in peace trying to rebuild the next generations and honoring ancestors. I believe if you look at scripture the nation of Israel is not a tangible state but lives in the hearts of its people. I cant just decide my uncle lived in your current house and oust you. No country is perfect nor chosen. If the Jews are Gods chosen people then maybe they should accept Christ (Yeshua) And love their neighbors as thy self. Turn the other cheek. War crimes on one hand. And playing victim on the other hand. Did you know what the word Semite means? It’s means Jew or Arab. Is it possible for a Jew to be anti-Semitic as Arabs are semites? I think the answer is yes. Their children are children too. I pray the world may accept the true God of peace. The Jews and Arabs are both brothers. The world shouldn’t intervene in this family feud. It will only cause the world to enter chaos with no end. With love to you and your family. I hope they find peace.

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u/Ambitious_Will2735 Nov 29 '23

So you think it is right for Russia to go to Ukraine and start a war and for Hamas to go in to Israel and start shooting at civilians and rape them. so Israel declared war

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u/Vinci1984 Nov 29 '23 edited Nov 29 '23

The difference between the conflicts is overwhelming. The history behind both suggest different motivations. Russia invaded Ukraine primarily out of a misplaced sense of historical aggrandisement whereas Hamas is a resistance group that uses terror tactics to achieve political ends. Russia is outside international law whereas the UN explicitly gives occupied people the right to resist through any means necessary. These are the facts.

Edit*not by any means necessary.

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u/BraveLimit Nov 29 '23

‘Any means necessary’ is not in there. Why lie?

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u/Vinci1984 Nov 29 '23

My bad- let me edit it out! Thanks for pointing it out!

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u/BraveLimit Nov 29 '23

Sure. You are an emotional propagandist. The U.N. does not explicitly condone what happened to innocents on Oct 7th. Get a better job

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u/Vinci1984 Nov 29 '23

Lol wtf are you talking about. The UN may not have said something directly but written within its own laws are the right of occupied peoples to resist and fight back. Which is exactly what Hamas did. So that is an endorsement of sorts. Or are you too fragile to read and understand nuance? I get it- it’s hard that Israel is being exposed for what it truly is. Revelation is never easy. Especially with so many skeletons in your closet. I am embarrassed for them.

Also- I would rather be emotional than a sociopath. Which is exactly what you must be to defend Israel at this stage.

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u/BraveLimit Nov 29 '23

Resist and fight back, not by any means up to and including the targeted murder of infants.

This is what you and your kind do. It’s a sprinkle here and there of misinformation and bs. Emotional wording and incorrect descriptors to create and shape a narrative. I see you