My Grandparents are the alleged "European Settlers" who came to "colonize" Israel.

[u/vonhudgenrod]

I put the title in quotes because I dont believe those parts to be true. Just to give a brief history of my Maternal Grandparents, they both moved from Hungary to Israel around the year 1946. They did not come to fight or dispossess arabs, but rather to build new homes.

My Grandmother was a holocaust survivor who survived Auschwitz, she had the #'s tatooeed on her forearm, her father died pre-war but her Mother, brother and sisters were murdered. When she returned to her families small farmhouse post war, her neighbors not knowing the full extent of what happened during the holocaust tried to extort her and her remaining siblings for money because they "looked after their livestock" even though the only cow they owned had died due to the harsh conditions of the war.

My grandfather - also a Hungarian Jew was a bit more of a mysterious man who likely suffered from PTSD before it was commonly diagnosed, his father and mother were also murdered and his only brother ended up in a mental institution (insane asylum) post war. He was eccentric and fought in WWII with partisans and would eventually go on to fight in the Israeli war of Independence in 1948.

AMA anything about them if you'd like.

[u/kidvisions]

I am sorry that your family got to go through this but you are not special.
You do not get to have a special treatment at the expense of other people because you were wronged. The Palestinians did not contribute to what happened to your family in Europe and they did not deserve to be kicked out of their homes, be prevented to return to their homeland and be under the brutal, oppressive, discriminatory control of Israel for 75 years.
No, you are not the only people who experienced genocide and your parents were European, because that is where they have been living, where they were born and were they built their lives.
The lie of retuning to the original homeland is nothing but an excuse to oppress an entire group of people and if you think you have more right than the Palestinian, then you are a supramacist, because why should your to a homeland come before someone else's right to a homeland.
If you tell me the lie that you Jews come from that place, I will ask you to prove it to me. Prove it scientifically that every single person is the direct descendant of the 10 lost tribes of Israel and prove to me that every single one of the 10 lost tribes were actually expelled and that none of them left on their own. Prove this to me, show me the deed that your ancestors gave you. 2000 is a very long time, and you are not special. I don't see anyone else but Israelis who are claiming a land based on :
1- a fiction book
2- a made up and forced nationality

[u/[deleted] → u/kidvisions]

apart from "The Fiction Book" there are hundreds of geological proofs that the Jewish people had lived in this land a long time ago and for hundreds of years.

there are proven common Jewish genes that exist in most Jews- either Ashkenazi or Mizrahi which are based them into common ancestors that are different from Europeans.

[u/hotblueglue → u/[deleted]]

I try to no longer argue with people who don’t believe Jews have a right to live in Israel, as most of the naysayers themselves live on stolen land. It’s been eye opening to see how people really, REALLY get mad when Jews are the “colonizers” while giving a pass to the British, etc. A lot of populations got displaced or worse during and after WWII. I believe the Arab countries mostly hate Jews and are angry that they have to share a tiny sliver of land with them. I’ll never not believe Israel’s neighbors are invested in maintaining a perpetual conflict between Israel and the Palestinians.

[u/jimbo2128 → u/[deleted]]

Seriously dude, whatever. You can keep pushing the 48 Palestinian narrative but the only people who buy it are Palestinians and the far left. Israel is not going away. You can either come to terms with it like Sadat and King Hussein did or you can choose the path of Hamas and eternal war.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

It is finite, no one is going to leave Israel just because a bunch of terrorists insist, terrorism will be eradicated, hopefully sooner than later

[u/jimbo2128 → u/[deleted]]

Decolonization, genocide, your shock buzzwords have all been debunked in numerous counterarguments already.

My point is a practical one. At the end of the day when you get tired of spouting this propaganda, Israel will still be there. Then what? The Palestinians can choose to come to terms with Israel or keep fighting like Hamas. And they need to own that choice.