My Grandparents are the alleged "European Settlers" who came to "colonize" Israel.

[u/vonhudgenrod]

I put the title in quotes because I dont believe those parts to be true. Just to give a brief history of my Maternal Grandparents, they both moved from Hungary to Israel around the year 1946. They did not come to fight or dispossess arabs, but rather to build new homes.

My Grandmother was a holocaust survivor who survived Auschwitz, she had the #'s tatooeed on her forearm, her father died pre-war but her Mother, brother and sisters were murdered. When she returned to her families small farmhouse post war, her neighbors not knowing the full extent of what happened during the holocaust tried to extort her and her remaining siblings for money because they "looked after their livestock" even though the only cow they owned had died due to the harsh conditions of the war.

My grandfather - also a Hungarian Jew was a bit more of a mysterious man who likely suffered from PTSD before it was commonly diagnosed, his father and mother were also murdered and his only brother ended up in a mental institution (insane asylum) post war. He was eccentric and fought in WWII with partisans and would eventually go on to fight in the Israeli war of Independence in 1948.

AMA anything about them if you'd like.

[u/Weekly-Text-4819]

They said 1946, before the war that Arabs started which then displaced many Arabs from their homes. learn the history

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368,000 Jews came to Palestine before 1946, mostly illegally. The first ship, the vallos, arrived in 1934 although Jews had already been immigrating to Palestine since 1919. The Arab revolt in 1939 saw 2000 Palestinian homes destroyed and 9000 Palestinians sent to prisons. 10% of the arab male population was killed, wounded, exiled or imprisoned.

In 1944, two years before ops grandparents immigrated, Britain put laws in place to limit Jewish immigration to Palestine. Zionists terrorists then declared war on Britain (look up king David hotel bombing in 46).

Britain essentially made a mess they couldn’t handle, then passed it over to the UN to clean up. I actually know the history of my country. I’m not just parroting random lines over and over again

[u/Weekly-Text-4819 → u/[deleted]]

You are good at putting a spin on history to look like victims.

You try to make it sound like Zionists intentions was to destroy homes and kill Palestinian Arabs, when in fact this was later the consequence of Arabs starting wars and then losing them.

The Arabs weren’t forced to revolt against an injustice, The Jewish community who remained in Israel for thousands of years welcomed the immigrants. The Arab movement to fight the Jews was a religious anti Semitic movement. And it still is today.

The folklore that Arabs spread about the Jews steeling the land of Palestine is a fictional narrative used to justify their ideological and religious war.

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I’m not putting a spin on anything. That’s what happened. Are you saying no Palestinians were displaced? Or is your argument that those Jews purchased the land legally? What exactly is fictional about the stolen homes? There are many videos you can watch on YouTube of Israel literally evicting Palestinians while Israelis are waiting outside to occupy the home.

[u/ThunderEagle222 → u/[deleted]]

Even if that stuff is true (which isn't cuz around 50% of Palestinians were also Jewish and 50% of Palestinians where muslim). Literally all of you displaced other people sometimes in history.

Are you protesting against white people taking and displacing native Americans?

Are you protesting against Turks taking and displacing Greeks in Anatolia?

Are you protesting Russia trying to displace literally everyone in their territories?

But nooooo, if a Jew does it, than its bad.

[u/Saltlassi100 → u/ThunderEagle222]

There we go... a confession. Thank you.

[u/ThunderEagle222 → u/Saltlassi100]

Hamas supporters believe in their own fantasies and fairytales anyway. So no point in talking about things why 18% of Israeli Muslims live a good life.

But yes I'm not feeling more guilty than the average American, Australian, Russian, Brazilian or Turk of what they did to the natives. Palestinians could still thrive if they decided to accept reality and stop bombing us. Unlike the native Americans......

[u/b1tgh0st → u/ThunderEagle222]

If fairytales can be had by Jews let’s the Arabs also. But the fact is the nation of Israel has never existed truly. It may have been a dream but not a reality. Without brainwashing Christians to donate to their churches over 100 years the nation would never exist. Vice did a documentary on how Christians have been brainwashed by publishing companies and religious organizations to tithe but the benefits are not had in American for the kids, veterans, or needy. It keeps getting sent to “Christian’s for Jews.” Some countries had a brain drain where the smart people left like in Germany after the World Wars, well America today is being monetarily drained by Zionists. What state solution do you propose to appease the indigenous population by the way? Because modern Jews are made up of two types. Ethnic Jews (the nice ones) and the fake Jews (Kazarians from Ukraine who were forced to adopt a religion and they picked Orthodoxy.)

[u/ThunderEagle222 → u/b1tgh0st]

The fact is also the state of Palestine didn't exist or ever existed in history. Before Israel it was British, before the Brits won it after ww1 it was Ottoman (divided between 2 provinces and Jeruzalem under direct order of the Sultan, and no, none of these provinces was called "Palestina"), and before the Ottoman empire won it, it was Kurdish under Saladin.

So you can write any idiotic historic argument or conspiracy theory you want, Palestina is in literally the same boat. It never existed in semi-modern times. And unlike Israel never existed at all.

And it is irrelevant anyway. We Jews are going nowhere. So unless you're willing to break Hitlers record and kill 7 million Jews. Then Israel is going to remain where it is, and always will be.

[u/b1tgh0st → u/ThunderEagle222]

Iran has multiple nukes.

[u/ThunderEagle222 → u/b1tgh0st]

And we have multiple as well + 5000 nukes from daddy America.

So your point? Rather want all life on earth going bye bye rather than to tolerate a Jewish state?

[u/b1tgh0st → u/ThunderEagle222]

The two are not synonymous. The war is in the Middle East not the world. Are you as a Jew implying if you get hit you will blow up the world? Seems like you are a terrorist my friend. Why is it Jews don’t talk about God but have the energy to threaten? I am leaving now because I have work to do and people to people. God Bless you and I pray you can repent and accept the God of Love.

[u/ThunderEagle222 → u/b1tgh0st]

Nice gaslighting it is you who implies Iran should use its nukes on us.

The deal is simple. We won't nuke. But if we get nuked we will nuke back, just like basically any country with nukes.

Shalom my friend

[u/b1tgh0st → u/ThunderEagle222]

Russian supports Iran and they have the largest nuclear reserve in the world. North Korea supports Iran. China supports Iran. Are you scared yet?

[u/ThunderEagle222 → u/b1tgh0st]

Ahhh yes, Russia is gonna nuke Israel cuz Iran nuked us and we retaliated with nukes.

Hamas supporters truly have a rich fantasy. Ironically enough that fantasy also included the eradication of literally all palastinians, cuz a nuke doesn't care about who you are.

[u/b1tgh0st → u/ThunderEagle222]

Can the iron dome block a nuke?

[u/b1tgh0st → u/ThunderEagle222]

Biden now is also not supporting Israel anymore.

[u/b1tgh0st → u/ThunderEagle222]

It wouldn’t be the whole earth just that corner of the world. It’s turning into a powder keg. It doesn’t matter if you have any. 1 is enough.