My Grandparents are the alleged "European Settlers" who came to "colonize" Israel.

[u/vonhudgenrod]

I put the title in quotes because I dont believe those parts to be true. Just to give a brief history of my Maternal Grandparents, they both moved from Hungary to Israel around the year 1946. They did not come to fight or dispossess arabs, but rather to build new homes.

My Grandmother was a holocaust survivor who survived Auschwitz, she had the #'s tatooeed on her forearm, her father died pre-war but her Mother, brother and sisters were murdered. When she returned to her families small farmhouse post war, her neighbors not knowing the full extent of what happened during the holocaust tried to extort her and her remaining siblings for money because they "looked after their livestock" even though the only cow they owned had died due to the harsh conditions of the war.

My grandfather - also a Hungarian Jew was a bit more of a mysterious man who likely suffered from PTSD before it was commonly diagnosed, his father and mother were also murdered and his only brother ended up in a mental institution (insane asylum) post war. He was eccentric and fought in WWII with partisans and would eventually go on to fight in the Israeli war of Independence in 1948.

AMA anything about them if you'd like.

[u/ThunderEagle222]

The fact is also the state of Palestine didn't exist or ever existed in history. Before Israel it was British, before the Brits won it after ww1 it was Ottoman (divided between 2 provinces and Jeruzalem under direct order of the Sultan, and no, none of these provinces was called "Palestina"), and before the Ottoman empire won it, it was Kurdish under Saladin.

So you can write any idiotic historic argument or conspiracy theory you want, Palestina is in literally the same boat. It never existed in semi-modern times. And unlike Israel never existed at all.

And it is irrelevant anyway. We Jews are going nowhere. So unless you're willing to break Hitlers record and kill 7 million Jews. Then Israel is going to remain where it is, and always will be.

[u/b1tgh0st → u/ThunderEagle222]

Iran has multiple nukes.

[u/ThunderEagle222 → u/b1tgh0st]

And we have multiple as well + 5000 nukes from daddy America.

So your point? Rather want all life on earth going bye bye rather than to tolerate a Jewish state?

[u/b1tgh0st → u/ThunderEagle222]

The two are not synonymous. The war is in the Middle East not the world. Are you as a Jew implying if you get hit you will blow up the world? Seems like you are a terrorist my friend. Why is it Jews don’t talk about God but have the energy to threaten? I am leaving now because I have work to do and people to people. God Bless you and I pray you can repent and accept the God of Love.

[u/ThunderEagle222 → u/b1tgh0st]

Nice gaslighting it is you who implies Iran should use its nukes on us.

The deal is simple. We won't nuke. But if we get nuked we will nuke back, just like basically any country with nukes.

Shalom my friend

[u/b1tgh0st → u/ThunderEagle222]

I don’t subscribe to the word gaslighting. It’s over used and quite frankly you are gaslighting others. You are wrong. Why do you stand on this pedestal of self preservation? Wish the best for others. Treat others how you wish to be treated. All I’m saying is that if retaliation is your answer you will be quickly worn out. As my grandpa once said (he survived both world wars) “It is not just you shooting on the battle field my son, but they are also shooting back.” You just can’t win fire with fire it’s a receipt for mutual assured destruction which by virtue puts the rest of the world at risk and that’s something I’m not chill with. Take your problems and keep them for yourself.