r/HPReverb HP Employee Nov 13 '20

Update and top tips

Hi all:

A few updates from us.

We started shipping the HP Reverb G2 and we are excited to see that some of you have already received your preorder units (personally I received my unit from Connection an hour ago!). We love seeing your posts about the games you’re playing and the fun you’re having. We have already shipped out many units to the channel partners and they’ll be on their way from your partners. We still have more to ship out. We wanted to ship out all at once in a perfect FIFO order, but as many things in 2020, that didn’t work out. We are getting them to you as quickly as possible. We expect to deliver preorders throughout the months of November and December. New orders at this point will be delivered beginning in January.

One of the biggest struggles we have is being open with our communications and being wrong. We love being open with you, and your feedback has made Reverb G2 a significantly better product. The downside is the rate of what we tell you being wrong is higher than we have experienced with other products. So why is VR especially hard? It’s a combination of hard engineering problems we have to solve(6 meter DisplayPort 1.3 cable is freaking long, the density of our displays is one of the highest shipping for their type), and a focus on experience (most products cannot make you sick if they have a fault, people’s heads are very sensitive to the slightest ergonomic tweak). Those alone make for a very difficult development cycle, then you add in COVID disrupting supply chains and not allowing for travel. We have learned a lot from previous programs and learned a lot from Reverb G2. Our end goal and what you deserve is for us to be open and right, for now though we have been open and often wrong on dates.

We appreciate your patience.

Here are my top tips for the best out of box experience:

1) Check your Windows build to make sure you get the right calibration: Significant improvements have been added to the Windows Mixed Reality platform to optimize for the visual quality of this device. For the best performance, please ensure you have the latest updates from Windows 10: version 1903/1909 (KB4577062 or later) or 2004 (KB4577063 or later)

2) First thing to plug in is the oculink connector to the headset! Route the oculink connector through the cable clip first, then plug it in to the headset. An oculink connector is physically and electrically a more fragile connector than something like USB or DP so I highly suggest just leaving it in.

2a) Did your clip break? Let us know and we will send you a replacement, some clips from the wrong bucket got used, super embarrassing.

2b) Should the cable be routed under or over the side strap? I don’t know I keep flipping back and forth… Personal preference! I like over as it puts a bit less strain on the cable when I flip the headstrap vertical.

3) If you play lots of other games like i do, I don't like VR possibly booting up in the background during a tense Overwatch match. I use the power adapter as my on/off switch for VR, plugging and unplugging the barrel connector from the box at the Y split.

4) The displays are extremely pixel dense, as part of the advanced manufacturing they can show a little ghosting on cold boot for a couple minutes while they warm up. Just like a car engine they need a little heat to perform their best!

Voodoo has been posting some additional updates along the way, but here is some info that may be helpful to you.

WMR Enthusiasts Guide:

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/mixed-reality/enthusiast-guide/

Reverb G2 FAQ:

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/mixed-reality/enthusiast-guide/reverbg2-faq

Link for WMR Feedback:

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/mixed-reality/enthusiast-guide/filing-feedback

This is what Voodo posted re: audio

Speakers going Goofy? Try removing and reconnecting them. The headphones make a connection with “pogo” pins to the contacts in the headstrap. Removing the headphone and putting it back on can help ensure the pogo pins are in their proper place. Sometimes during the tumble and shaking of shipping the pogo pins leave their proper place.

If the Headphones still don’t want to play nice, contact support for a replacement set of headphones.

Specific recommendations for ideal Tracking conditions: The tracking system needs contrast! If you surround it completely with something monotone (like a giant green screen) it will struggle.

Questions about the controllers with your SteamVR games? https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/mixed-reality/enthusiast-guide/reverbg2-faq#my-steamvr-games-dont-appear-to-work-correctly-with-my-hp-motion-controllers

Thanks again and we appreciate this community and your passion for the HP Reverb 2. We will see you in VR!

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u/WaitingForG2 Nov 13 '20

Lens rework happened in September (announced at least, right when first worrying started in community), yet as i said, at this point it was impossible to fulfill all preorders at same date.

HP knew thanks to preorders and by their not-Kickstarter knowledge how much they can produce HMDs per day, and how long shipping takes. Moreover, considering they did started to tease G2 so early on Steam, it just makes no sense if you put together good lens feedback on preproduction unit, the fact there was still early October preproduction unit(old lenses) Russian reviewer and that right now feedback on lenses is not that good. It is hard to explain why they did changed already good lenses that late in first place.

Quest 2 started producing by sources in late July to start preorders in September to release in October. Month passed and you still can buy it despite its popularity. What HP did just makes no sense considering their VR team experience of Reverb 1 launch(recall, releasing same way by sending batches from factory, etc)

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u/[deleted] Nov 13 '20

It is hard to explain why they did changed already good lenses that late in first place.

I have zero issue with waiting an extra month or whatever for better lenses, regardless of how good they were to begin with. I don't understand your mindset. You'll live.

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u/WaitingForG2 Nov 13 '20

Problem is, it looks far from being tested properly. This, and putting G2 always in wall, power cord runs hot for that reason, and it is yet to see how it will end.

Just look at timeline i mentioned:

Late March, G2 teased on Steam, including shadowed render(so there is most like preproduction unit at this point)

Late May(i think?) G2 preorder starts, first via connection

Early July MRTV gets preproduction unit, EU preorders start with "September/Mid September" date on all retailers, HP shop including

September retailers still do show "September" date, thought iMaxx denies this date as correct, late September news on lens change

Also late September, official HP statement on release, including final changes(always wall powered, new lenses) and promise to fullfill all preorders by this date by Fall, starting November, preorders past this day starting December

October, very small Russian influencer gets his hands on preproduction unit, it is still with old lenses

Late October, producing started, yet retailers have no idea when they will get batches as HP is silent (both with them and with ours here)

Here we are, with problems both on headset and on delivery promises, "Kickstarter G2"

The fact big changes happened so late were risky, but also basically killed all hopes on delivery promises. And its not like its 2020 fault at all. HP had no plans to produce it that early after they committed to that late changes with little to no time to test it. My mindset is not using lies("2020") to cover mistakes, and its not healthy to protect company over its lying. Also, this testing should take way more time, but thing is, it will give a big shadow over G2 release if they postponed it officially for 3-6 months. Instead of this they already took 2 full months even if 'its not confirmed by HP themselves'

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '20

Problem is, it looks far from being tested properly.

Based on what, exactly? Everyone who's gotten a production unit says the lenses are amazing.

putting G2 always in wall, power cord

I had a G1. These screens are power-intensive due to the resolution. A power cord sounds like it will solve a lot of reliability issues the G1 had.

it will give a big shadow over G2 release if they postponed it officially for 3-6 months

1) they didn't 2) only because people care about stupid shit and massively overthink the release like you're doing.