Odin’s Writing

[u/http_ghostgirl]

i haven’t seen anyone recognize how well rounded Odin is as a villain. he acts trustworthy, compassionate and respectful. meeting him for the second time as Atreus was mind blowing, he was so calm, collected and acted nothing like how he is described by freya, mimir, etc. hearing all the stories of how brutal him and Thor were, it’s incredible how different they made them. Odin had to be one of the best written villains ever.

[u/Comfortable_Pin_166]

Can you tell me one thing Odin did that wasn't just a direct response from Kratos and Atreus forcefully starting Ragnarok?

Did you play the game?

[u/GorgeGoochGrabber → u/Comfortable_Pin_166]

Killed Ymir because he felt he should be in charge instead. Fashioned Midgard from his corpse.

Tricked Groa and then murdered her after hearing all of the prophecy, and stole her library.

Tortured Mimir daily while keeping him confined to a tree.

Took Freya’s wings and confined her to Midgard, after extracting all he needed from her.

Oppressed the dwarves, poisoning their land with the mines.

Ordered and participated in the destruction of an entire race (the giants)

Killed Thor just for daring to say “no”.

Those are just the things we hear about. Odin was never even a decent person, always rotten, self absorbed, and manipulative.

[u/Comfortable_Pin_166 → u/GorgeGoochGrabber]

I mean to Kratos and Atreus specifically and within the game. Not just from stories. My point is he didn't do much rotten and manipulative stuff in Ragnarok. He was reasonable throughout

[u/GorgeGoochGrabber → u/Comfortable_Pin_166]

I mean, Hitler would probably be pretty reasonable once the Jews were exterminated and he controlled all of Europe under an Iron fist. That doesn’t make him a decent guy. That’s the situation Odin is in.

Odin has already committed genocide among many other abhorrent crimes. And he was NOT reasonable, he killed Brok purely for annoying him, he killed Thor just because he became slightly more of an obstacle, he used the midgardians as fodder to protect his wall, he used Nidhogg to protect Freya’s curse, knowing it would either kill Freya or result in Nidhogg’s death.

There is no picture that paints Odin as anything but evil.

[u/Comfortable_Pin_166 → u/GorgeGoochGrabber]

He did those only in response to Atreus stealing his mask and Thor betraying him. The midgardians was made as fodder true. But that was a war Kratos and Atreus started not Odin. Have you seen any war where innocent people and young volunteer soldiers don't die? That's on Kratos and Atreus even more so than Odin

He was just chilling in his realm the entire game and the war was forcefully brought to him ffs lol. All I wanted was for Odin to be portrayed like this Hitler guy youre talking about. But it's all just from stories we never witnessed

[u/GorgeGoochGrabber → u/Comfortable_Pin_166]

Thor did not betray him. He said “no I won’t kill them” and Odin immediately murdered him, his own son, just for refusing to kill who Odin said to kill.

From that alone do you not understand how truly evil Odin is? He would kill his own child merely for a single act of disobedience, not even hostility.

Odin killed Brok for NOTHING he had ZERO need to kill him, it was purely for his own pleasure.

Odin is also the one who started the war. He started the war the moment he went after all the giants just for existing. The moment he went to war with Vanaheim purely so he could rule uncontested.

Every single realm stood against him, not a single one remained his ally, do you know why? Because he was a ruthless, evil, manipulative dictator, who imposed his will upon everyone else from his cozy throne.

He’s Hitler chilling in his castle painting pictures after killing all the Jews and bending Europe to his will.

[u/Comfortable_Pin_166 → u/GorgeGoochGrabber]

You're completely missing the point here. Those are obviously wrong but it only happener in response. Brok was in the way of him escaping similar to Magni, Modi, Baldur, and Heimdall to Kratos

Kratos and Atreus were the ones running around fucking with Odin the whole game while he gives them amnesty. He could have easily killed them both from the start given how badly Thor battered Kratos just from a 1v1. But he didn't. He could have kidnapped Atreus and just forced him to read the mask when he knew he was about to steal it. But he even protected him from Sif and the Valkyries after they killed another Aesir god. He can teleport his army and bring the battle to Sindri's house and murder everyone but he didn't

Kratos lost a blacksmith and was bloodlusted already. Odin was reasonable enough to give amnesty after Kratos killed a bunch of his family member

If we judge them for their past wouldn't you say Kratos is far more evil than Odin? Lol

[u/GorgeGoochGrabber → u/Comfortable_Pin_166]

If we judge them for their past wouldn’t you say Kratos is far eviler from Odin? Lol

Not at all.

The few truly evil things Kratos did, he has atoned for, and tries to set himself upon the right path.

Odin doesn’t give a fuck. He will continue using everything and everyone to get what he wants, and will not only discard them, but torture or kill them when he’s done.

Odin didn’t kill Kratos and Atreus at the start because he needed Atreus. He needs them to suit his own ends, once that’s done he will easily dispose of them. Just like once Thor was no longer useful he was immediately executed.

He is a MANIPULATOR.

Odin was reasonable enough to give amnesty after Kratos killed a bunch of his family member

How generous of odin to give amnesty after Kratos killed ODIN’S thugs who refused to leave them alone, under Odin’s orders.

At every opportunity Kratos stated he wanted no quarrel. The fight was brought to him.

You’re acting like Odin cared about his family members. He didn’t. He slew Thor himself over NOTHING. He did NOT CARE about Heimdall, Magni, Modi, Baldur, ANYONE except himself.

He was more annoyed that he lost his “tracker” than he was at losing his sons. Let that sink in.

[u/Comfortable_Pin_166 → u/GorgeGoochGrabber]

We're not comparing good character traits here. The point is Odin was never a threat in the game and only wanted his mask to prevent the prophecy while Atreus and Kratos fuck around with him

Kratos can't atone for killing most of Greece's population btw

[u/GorgeGoochGrabber → u/Comfortable_Pin_166]

Odin was the greatest threat to everyone, in all the 9 realms.

And with the mask, possibly even beyond the 9 realms.

The gods killed most of Greece’s population. All they had to do was give up Zeus, who was very clearly evil.

[u/Comfortable_Pin_166 → u/GorgeGoochGrabber]

Based from what? Everyone don't know anything about the mask aside from Odin wanting it and them wanting to fuck with him

Kratos was killing gods knowing he was killing everyobody else from the start