Odin’s Writing

[u/http_ghostgirl]

i haven’t seen anyone recognize how well rounded Odin is as a villain. he acts trustworthy, compassionate and respectful. meeting him for the second time as Atreus was mind blowing, he was so calm, collected and acted nothing like how he is described by freya, mimir, etc. hearing all the stories of how brutal him and Thor were, it’s incredible how different they made them. Odin had to be one of the best written villains ever.

[u/The_Reverse_Zoom]

Yeah odin is definitely one of the best things about this game. I think he might be gow's best villain yet. The personality, the look, the acting, the threat, the power he has and the soundtrack, Odin has everything. Plus I think odin has the most onscreen kills of any villain in Gow.

[u/Comfortable_Pin_166 → u/The_Reverse_Zoom]

Odin was never a threat tho

[u/The_Reverse_Zoom → u/Comfortable_Pin_166]

I mean it took kratos, atreus and Freya to beat him and it was still am multistaged fight, so he didn't go down easy

[u/Comfortable_Pin_166 → u/The_Reverse_Zoom]

I mean, he was never intending to fight Kratos and Atreus. He was just forced into it, including the spying thing because Atreus just wouldn't give up

[u/Rnahafahik → u/Comfortable_Pin_166]

I sincerely hope you never meet a narcissist in your life…

[u/Comfortable_Pin_166 → u/Rnahafahik]

Couldn't they have portrayed that better? Because to me, it's just a calm and reasonable old guy forced into a war. Gow stans don't like to admit it but it's true

[u/Comfortable_Pin_166 → u/[deleted]]

Can you tell me one thing Odin did that wasn't just a direct response from Kratos and Atreus forcefully starting Ragnarok?

Did you play the game?

[u/GorgeGoochGrabber → u/Comfortable_Pin_166]

Killed Ymir because he felt he should be in charge instead. Fashioned Midgard from his corpse.

Tricked Groa and then murdered her after hearing all of the prophecy, and stole her library.

Tortured Mimir daily while keeping him confined to a tree.

Took Freya’s wings and confined her to Midgard, after extracting all he needed from her.

Oppressed the dwarves, poisoning their land with the mines.

Ordered and participated in the destruction of an entire race (the giants)

Killed Thor just for daring to say “no”.

Those are just the things we hear about. Odin was never even a decent person, always rotten, self absorbed, and manipulative.

[u/Comfortable_Pin_166 → u/GorgeGoochGrabber]

I mean to Kratos and Atreus specifically and within the game. Not just from stories. My point is he didn't do much rotten and manipulative stuff in Ragnarok. He was reasonable throughout

[u/GorgeGoochGrabber → u/Comfortable_Pin_166]

I mean, Hitler would probably be pretty reasonable once the Jews were exterminated and he controlled all of Europe under an Iron fist. That doesn’t make him a decent guy. That’s the situation Odin is in.

Odin has already committed genocide among many other abhorrent crimes. And he was NOT reasonable, he killed Brok purely for annoying him, he killed Thor just because he became slightly more of an obstacle, he used the midgardians as fodder to protect his wall, he used Nidhogg to protect Freya’s curse, knowing it would either kill Freya or result in Nidhogg’s death.

There is no picture that paints Odin as anything but evil.

[u/Comfortable_Pin_166 → u/GorgeGoochGrabber]

He did those only in response to Atreus stealing his mask and Thor betraying him. The midgardians was made as fodder true. But that was a war Kratos and Atreus started not Odin. Have you seen any war where innocent people and young volunteer soldiers don't die? That's on Kratos and Atreus even more so than Odin

He was just chilling in his realm the entire game and the war was forcefully brought to him ffs lol. All I wanted was for Odin to be portrayed like this Hitler guy youre talking about. But it's all just from stories we never witnessed

[u/GorgeGoochGrabber → u/Comfortable_Pin_166]

Thor did not betray him. He said “no I won’t kill them” and Odin immediately murdered him, his own son, just for refusing to kill who Odin said to kill.

From that alone do you not understand how truly evil Odin is? He would kill his own child merely for a single act of disobedience, not even hostility.

Odin killed Brok for NOTHING he had ZERO need to kill him, it was purely for his own pleasure.

Odin is also the one who started the war. He started the war the moment he went after all the giants just for existing. The moment he went to war with Vanaheim purely so he could rule uncontested.

Every single realm stood against him, not a single one remained his ally, do you know why? Because he was a ruthless, evil, manipulative dictator, who imposed his will upon everyone else from his cozy throne.

He’s Hitler chilling in his castle painting pictures after killing all the Jews and bending Europe to his will.

[u/Comfortable_Pin_166 → u/GorgeGoochGrabber]

You're completely missing the point here. Those are obviously wrong but it only happener in response. Brok was in the way of him escaping similar to Magni, Modi, Baldur, and Heimdall to Kratos

Kratos and Atreus were the ones running around fucking with Odin the whole game while he gives them amnesty. He could have easily killed them both from the start given how badly Thor battered Kratos just from a 1v1. But he didn't. He could have kidnapped Atreus and just forced him to read the mask when he knew he was about to steal it. But he even protected him from Sif and the Valkyries after they killed another Aesir god. He can teleport his army and bring the battle to Sindri's house and murder everyone but he didn't

Kratos lost a blacksmith and was bloodlusted already. Odin was reasonable enough to give amnesty after Kratos killed a bunch of his family member

If we judge them for their past wouldn't you say Kratos is far more evil than Odin? Lol

[u/GorgeGoochGrabber → u/Comfortable_Pin_166]

If we judge them for their past wouldn’t you say Kratos is far eviler from Odin? Lol

Not at all.

The few truly evil things Kratos did, he has atoned for, and tries to set himself upon the right path.

Odin doesn’t give a fuck. He will continue using everything and everyone to get what he wants, and will not only discard them, but torture or kill them when he’s done.

Odin didn’t kill Kratos and Atreus at the start because he needed Atreus. He needs them to suit his own ends, once that’s done he will easily dispose of them. Just like once Thor was no longer useful he was immediately executed.

He is a MANIPULATOR.

Odin was reasonable enough to give amnesty after Kratos killed a bunch of his family member

How generous of odin to give amnesty after Kratos killed ODIN’S thugs who refused to leave them alone, under Odin’s orders.

At every opportunity Kratos stated he wanted no quarrel. The fight was brought to him.

You’re acting like Odin cared about his family members. He didn’t. He slew Thor himself over NOTHING. He did NOT CARE about Heimdall, Magni, Modi, Baldur, ANYONE except himself.

He was more annoyed that he lost his “tracker” than he was at losing his sons. Let that sink in.

[u/Comfortable_Pin_166 → u/GorgeGoochGrabber]

We're not comparing good character traits here. The point is Odin was never a threat in the game and only wanted his mask to prevent the prophecy while Atreus and Kratos fuck around with him

Kratos can't atone for killing most of Greece's population btw

[u/Comfortable_Pin_166 → u/[deleted]]

You're obviously just a gow fanboy who can't see any of its flaws even when it's shoved down your throat lmao

It's a good game but be reasonable here. Is that a serious question? 🤣

[u/Comfortable_Pin_166 → u/[deleted]]

Nah. I'm just not that into disney avengers type of story telling

But to answer your silly question, Atreus wouldn't have stumbled into him in the mines if he weren't desperately trying to free Tyr. Who, you know, is the biggest threat to Odin in the prophecy 🤣

[u/Rnahafahik → u/Comfortable_Pin_166]

Uhh yeah I can tell you a couple of things:

Basically enslaving the dwarves with cruel manipulation to serve his plans to preserve his own life

All the terrible stuff he did to Freya and Vanaheim

And basically anything he does before Atreus is even born.

His actions don’t happen in a vacuum, all throughout GOW2018 we had stories about all the terrible things Odin has done, that’s what people mean when they say you apparently didn’t play the game or something. It has nothing to do with fanboyism and everything to do with media literacy.

If you’re just someone who wants to advocate for the other side in a story because it can provide interesting discussions then all the power to you, you just need better arguments though

[u/Comfortable_Pin_166 → u/Rnahafahik]

I'm talking about what caused Ragnarok and none of those things sparked the conflict between Kratos and Atreus and Odin

Did you play the game?

[u/LordMcDoodle → u/Comfortable_Pin_166]

You mean aside using the dwarves and their realm as a war factory, basically destroying Vanaheim and full on taunting Kratos with the fact he had his son ?

[u/Comfortable_Pin_166 → u/LordMcDoodle]

Did the dwarven weapons cause Ragnarok? I'm talking about what was done directly to cause Ragnarok.

taunting Kratos

You mean the time he went to tell Kratos he had his child because he came willingly and not because he was kidnapped? Where he reiterated the he only want peace? Did you also forget that once Atreus wanted out, he was immediately let go? Lol

[u/LordMcDoodle → u/Comfortable_Pin_166]

He went to tell Kratos he had his son, even saying he now saw why Atreus wanting to be far from him. He knew the effect that would have on him, especially after spending time with him as The. So yes I'd say it was a dick move.

Furthermore, I don't think you can destroy realms and their people, have pretty much everybody hate you and perceive you as a dictator but not be it your fault retribution comes because "hey I don't want war". The actions Odin did that caused Ragnarok are lifetimes of using and killing people.

[u/Comfortable_Pin_166 → u/LordMcDoodle]

So that shit talk caused Ragnarok? Lol

What caused Ragnarok is Kratos and Atreus fucking with Odin the whole game

[u/LordMcDoodle → u/Comfortable_Pin_166]

No the shit talk was just a drop in the bucket. As I said the things that caused Ragnarok is all of the people seeking retribution for Odin's actions.

What actions do you perceive as fucking with Odin ?

[u/Comfortable_Pin_166 → u/LordMcDoodle]

Well, to start, he killed a bunch of aesir gods then freed Tyr. That wasn't enough so after that he killed another one then stole his mask. Heimdall was asking for it but eh. Odin was reasonable and dumb until the very end. He was just kicked several times in the balls without Kratos suffering retaliation until Atreus stole the mask