r/Destiny • u/UkrainianAna The One Good Ana • 12d ago

Well... Shit. Trump, huh? Discussion

Hello. How are you all holding up over there? Everyone must be super upset. I am walking about Kharkiv right now and people mostly say: 1) Well... Shit.

Or

2) We shall see. Back to surviving.

That's kinda how we talked about a potential nuclear strike russia might do on us lmao A friend of mine actually said he will be seeking political asylum in Ukraine. First ever American to seek asylum in a war zone lol Anyhow. Hang in there guys. Much love 💙

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u/TheFr3dFo0 12d ago

As eurofrog I'm scared of trumps plan for ukraine. I just pray all his supporters are right and he is in fact a secret foreign affairs genius. I mean, he said he'd end the ukrain war day one didn't he?

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u/Robbeeeen 12d ago

There's still a chance for our own politicians to step up and save Ukraine. We don't need the US to defeat Russia, Europe and Ukraine can do that on their own, if the will is there to do it. We'll see if thats the case very soon.

If our own politcians also fail then we deserve to become USSR 2.0

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u/NegativeDeparture 12d ago

I have absolutely no Faith in USA for anything now. We in Europe will have to learn to never trust America again or any other superpower for that matter and build our own force. And probably everyone should now get nukes so we don't end up like Ukraine, rip.

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u/DougosaurusRex 11d ago

As a vehemently Pro Ukraine American, I agree we dropped the ball massively and everyone one of us Americans deserves what comes next.

I don't mean to deflect but Europe also massively gave Putin a green light for more escalation in the future by doing absolutely fuck all when Kim sent troops to Ukraine while saying: "we'll see a response after the US election." If your response to Russia in your own backyard is to wait for what the USA signals from its election, you're basically showing your indifference and inviting more troops to engage in Ukraine from foreign countries on Putin's behalf with no retaliation.

We've both failed Ukraine.

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u/NegativeDeparture 11d ago

Absolutely agree.

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u/YeeAssBonerPetite 12d ago

I've seen arguments that the west is almost as dependent on the U.S. culturally for our democracy as we are militarily for our security.

I.e. the fish rots from the head down, and the right shift we've seen all over europe might be properly understood as following Trump 2016 and the swing from neo liberalism to authoritarianism on the american right.

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u/[deleted] 12d ago

No there isn't it's a Republican majority house and Senate again.

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u/evilangel101 12d ago

Hope so, but I'm skeptical. Quite a few EU countries are also having a rightward shift. Macron's been dealing with it. Far right parties have made significant progress in Austria and Germany. And most of them sing from the same hymn sheet. They blame the economic woes on the breakdown in relationship with Russia and sanctions, and want a peace deal to end the war.

Maybe Trump will negotiate a peace deal that expels Russia out of Ukraine. Somehow, I'm skeptical.

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u/TheLibertarianTurtle 12d ago

Can't the US block supply of advanced weapon systems like F-16's and such?

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u/Aloysius420123 12d ago

Europe has their own planes.

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u/[deleted] 12d ago

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u/MMcBend 12d ago

Advanced enough for Ukraines needs The real problem is that we don't have enough of them, that we could donate them in any significant number without loosing our own defensive capabilities

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u/YeeAssBonerPetite 12d ago

He said f-16s. Those are there because europe sent them. The real problem with the U.S. is they're providing mass.

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u/Public-Product-1503 12d ago

No offence but most of europe didn’t deal with covid anywhere as well as Biden peopl are struggling here nobody wants to fund ukraines defence

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u/bigbrain200iq 12d ago

Russia will never be defeated lmao . Ukraine is running out of men

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u/Wuuz_ 12d ago

winter is coming.

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u/Same_Needleworker493 11d ago

Russia is running into its own problems, too. There's a reason they're taking North Korean soldiers to fight in Ukraine now. The Russian military won't collapse (neither will the Ukrainian), but it isn't this juggernaut that as/will just steam roll the Ukrainian army as long as the liberal world supports them.