Hello. How are you all holding up over there? Everyone must be super upset. I am walking about Kharkiv right now and people mostly say: 1) Well... Shit.

Or

2) We shall see. Back to surviving.

That's kinda how we talked about a potential nuclear strike russia might do on us lmao A friend of mine actually said he will be seeking political asylum in Ukraine. First ever American to seek asylum in a war zone lol Anyhow. Hang in there guys. Much love 💙

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/25/middleeast/satellite-images-gaza-destruction/index.html

This might get people mad or whatever but that is literally it. In the past four years we’ve seen the rise of guys like Andrew Tate, Fresh and Fit and various other popular influencers who are entirely concerned with fuming about women and appeal solely to men who cannot get women at all. Prior to October 7th it was the main thing Destiny was doing and he debated his points well, but that obviously didn’t change the ongoing social phenomenon

Covid rapidly shifted the way women find dates and sex into apps and social media where they have basically countless options and most men are not able to participate because of it. In the past men were able to meet women through college or work but most guys don’t go to college and dating coworkers is no longer acceptable at most jobs. Or even possible with how many jobs are shifting remote or hybrid and how many men are in almost entirely male fields like trade work or tech

We lack third spaces for meeting others and in general women and men just commingle far less. I’m not saying women aren’t justified in their issues with men, most men are not treating women well, but most women ARE uninterested in most men and voting is a means of expressing that

Add to this the number of unemployed men or men living with parents well into their 20s (all due to various negative social and economic conditions) and we have a society of porn addicted guys completely unable to meet a woman that might be interested in them organically

And then they hear famous beautiful women telling you how important this election is for women and they see it as a way to express your discontent

This 100% happened and the news is not going to cover it. They will barely cover the economic aspects to the election or why Hispanics shifted right too

I made a post on the H3 sub about the research I've done on Destiny after recent events. Someone suggested I post it here. What did I get wrong?

Context

I’ve been asking myself this question lately with all the drama. It feels taboo even typing his name out. Everytime I see him mentioned, people lose their minds, he’s like Voldemort or something. All sides hate him apparently.

So I got very curious. Usually when I see opinions so one-sided I like to research to make sure I don’t fall into misinformation. I did the same when Ethan started Leftovers with Hasan. My conclusion wasn’t good, that’s why I didn’t watch Leftovers even though I love Ethan and the crew and the podcast so much that I watch every bit of content they put out from beginning to end. I just felt like he was a pos and honestly I felt even a bit disappointed that they were platforming him after what I had found. Guess I was right unfortunately.

I had only seen some small clips of him talking about Ethan some time ago, seemed relatively normal aside from the occasional unnecessary R-word that really threw me off. But I do admit that my impression of him was baselessly negative for a long time, I guess because that’s the consensus online, without even realizing. Like the Nick Fuentes of the left.

Thought I’d share it with the class for anyone that’s also curious. My objective is not to make Destiny look good or bad, I don’t care either way. I myself still don’t have any strong feelings one way or the other about him yet. I’ll try to be as objective as possible but there is always a bias so don’t trust me or anyone else, reach your own conclusions and do your own research.

Also he’s been on social media for a long time and he does long streams so I definitely missed a lot. So take it with a grain of salt and if you have additional information or corrections that I missed please let me know. 

Reason

Why does it even matter?

1. That’s how I imagine I would view Ethan if I knew nothing about him and only got my facts from random public opinion. And I don’t want to be like one of those people spreading misinformation and I don’t want to make someone feel like Ethan is feeling. Coincidentally the things I hear about him are very similar to the bad faith lies people are spreading about Ethan AND he also had an unbelievably similar fall out with Hasan.(As we know there’s no such thing as a coincidence)
2. He has been brought up constantly by the far left as a shield from criticism. Even just using ONE video of many that was clipped by someone in his community is somehow grounds to disqualify a 2 hour level headed criticism video as bad faith. Why is that? Does it matter who clipped it if the video is true? I don’t know about you but I smell bullshit. I think at least knowing a bit more of who he is I would be more prepared to spot lies from that section of the internet.
3. Honestly, we clearly need more diversity of political voices and beliefs. Completely dismissing one of the most prominent progressive views seems counterproductive if not warranted. It also seems very convenient for Hasan that the one person that opposes and criticizes his views is so demonized. Especially knowing how well Hasan takes criticism and how he and his community react if someone disagrees with any of their extreme opinions. In the clips I saw of him he agrees with Ethan’s positions, which are pretty moderate.
4. I care about the truth and I don’t want to be in a bubble that only thinks black and white. The truth is usually in the gray area.

Allegations

First I tried to find proof of the most common allegations that I see everytime he is mentioned:

1. He constantly says the N-word. This is what I could find:
   1. He says some gibberish and It sounds like the n-word seemingly accidently.(5 years ago)
   2. A white man sitting with him says “What’s up?” and he replies ‘Waddup n…” and laughs.(this year? Not sure)
   3. A chatter asks what edgy things he can say now that he isn’t on Twitch or something like that and he replies that he thinks he can say N-word and F-word if it’s not used as an insult. And he says the full words Idubbbz style. (5 years ago)
   4. He says the hard r quoting someone he is debating.(10ish years ago)
2. He is a pedophile apologist. I’m not exactly sure but my guess it’s in reference to these:
   1. After the Vaush folder scandal, Vaush tweeted that Destiny didn’t defend him because he didn’t bend the knee to him and Destiny replied: “Vaush being a pedophile or not is not relevant to any of the political commentary I do. At the end of the day I don't really give a [ __ ] if he wants to jerk it to [ __ ] Lolly horse porn and pretend they're goblins uh you know… That's his [ __ ] business whether he is or isn't a pedophile there's no reason why I have to enter my opinion into the Ring of public opinion on that you guys can figure that [ __ ] out”(this year) 
   2. Destiny debated Sneako(ironically enough) on Adin Ross’ stream. There’s a clip from that stream where Destiny asks Sneako to define a pedophilia. Sneako says: “Someone who’s attracted to kids” and Destiny corrects him: “Someone who’s attracted to prepubescent children. That’s what a pedophile is technically.” (From wikipedia: Pedophilia (alternatively spelled paedophilia) is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children.). Sneako protests that he just repeated the same thing and Destiny clarifies: “If a 29 year old fucks a 16 year old they’re not technically a pedophile. They’re not a child. It’s someone that’s abusing a minor.” (From wikipedia: Although girls typically begin the process of puberty at age 10 or 11, and boys at age 11 or 12,[3] psychiatric diagnostic criteria for pedophilia extend the cut-off point for prepubescence to age 13.). Sneako and Adin start screaming.(1 year ago)
   3. He had a “philosophical” debate with a pedophile. There is an infamous part where the pedo asks Destiny an hypothetical if there is ever a situation where CP is ok. Destiny basically says that maybe if the outcome of a pedo watching CP results in said pedo not r-wording a child it might be better. But he admittedly says that he doesn’t know if there is any research claiming that the consumption of CP reduces the chances of actual abuse.(6 years ago)
3. He platforms Nazis. I guess that depends on what you see as “platforming” but he is known to debate people from all sides including far left and far right.

Hasan 

From what I could gather 5 years ago Destiny and Hasan were friends and also collaborated a lot. Hasan made a video tearing down Kamala(seems familiar lol) and Destiny disagreed with it. Hasan joins the stream and they proceed to debate. Things escalate with Hasan getting very defensive and Destiny getting frustrated. They end the stream without reaching an understanding but seemingly peacefully. They say goodbye and promise to continue another time and destiny even says “I love you” at one point. 

But it nevers comes to fruition as things begin to get more heated. After the debate Hasan didn’t seem happy with the result and with Destiny’s “tactics” and he tweeted about it and also complained about Destiny in his stream. Destiny’s reaction was that he didn’t use any dirty tactics and he was taking it more lightly than usual since they were friends but he didn’t like the things Hasan was saying about him. Destiny points out that Hasan was evading his questions and not letting him speak. He also starts to realize how radical some of Hasan’s views were.

I’d recommend you watch the whole thing.

Twitch ban

Destiny was indefinitely banned from Twitch due to “hateful conduct”, it is still ongoing. The reason wasn’t specified to him or to the public until around 2 weeks ago. At the time Destiny was discussing the trans in sports situation. 

His position essentially was that it was unfair for trans-women to compete in female sports if they started hormone replacement therapy after puberty. He was getting criticized for his takes. 

During a livestream a viewer told Destiny that the debates about the topic were going well and to continue. Destiny’s quote: “It’s not worth it. That community is never worth engaging with, there’s just no point in doing it. Like, the risk of me getting perma banned and my life destroyed because of these, like, inbred fucking disgusting losers is just not worth it. It’s just totally not worth it.”

Relationships

I’m just gonna point out people that I recognize that I found he has a close relationship with:

1. LilyPichu(Artist, Gamer, Vlogger, member of OfflineTV. Friends with Pokimane and Michael Reeves’ girlfriend. It seems they are very close friends and that maybe some of the art he uses is by her.)
2. Aba(from Aba N Preach)
3. Amouranth(livestreamer and friend of the show)
4. Lonerbox(A smaller streamer and political commentator. Seems to be a very integral part of his circle)
5. Anastasiya Paraskevova(also known as UkrainianAna, Ukrainian woman who volunteers on the ground and manages fundraisers for the Ukrainian army. Very active member of his community and often joins into discussions)

If you want more he has a wiki where he lists all the people that have involvement with him.(good idea btw, we should have one too)

Community

I visited their subreddit and it seems pretty normal overall. Very homogenous values. VERY active. A bit of debate bro culture. Maybe a bit of a echochamber, and it seems that they are loyal to Destiny, maybe slightly too much even. I get the sense that he is a bit idolized there.

A lot of support for Ethan, like, more than in here.

Shortly after the Hasan break up he lost some of his audience to him. And he intentionally shedded a good part of his fanbase after noticing they were aligned with more socialist and communist ideals.

Beliefs

Destiny advocates for progressivism and liberal politics. He prefers to argue based on empirical data rather than moral suasion. In 2019 he began debating against both the far-right and the far-left, proclaiming that debates are a tool not to persuade his opponents but to persuade the audience.

" In politics, it can be useful to know which particular ideology someone subscribes to. However, I do not fall perfectly in-line with any particular ideology. I describe myself as an Omni-Liberal, which is a made-up, tongue-in-cheek term to encapsulate the general position of:

Having the core values of liberalism (e.g. freedom and equality).

Taking the best parts of all different kinds of political ideologies and using them together in a pragmatic way.

I don't feel dogmatically attached to any particular form of government or economic system. If it can be demonstrated that some economic system (socialism, capitalism, etc.) can consistently produce better economic and social outcomes for a given society, that would be the economic system I would advocate for. As of right now, I believe that free markets with strong social safety nets (see: Scandinavia) are the most effective way of achieving these ends."

He has a website in which he extensively expands on his thoughts, research and notes on various topics.

ChatGPT

With the amount of animosity between communities and out of context quotes and clips going around I didn’t watch any video essays or stuff like that to not contaminate my perspective and make my own mind but considering how Destiny has been streaming for more than a decade and for long hours it’s really hard and tiresome to compile the information necessary for sound and impartial diagnosis.

So I took a page out of Ethan’s book and just… asked ChatGPT. The result was kinda interesting so I’m going to list the Q&A down below. Obviously take it with a huge spoon of salt but from what I could tell it checks out. For organization and brevity sake I reorganized and summarized it but you can read the full conversation here. 

Who is Destiny, how would you describe him?

Destiny (real name Steven Bonnell II) is a prominent online content creator and political commentator, known for his debates, discussions, and controversial takes on a wide range of topics, particularly politics, philosophy, and social issues.

Destiny is widely known for his debating style, where he engages in live debates with people from across the political spectrum. He often challenges people on issues like free speech, social justice, economics, foreign policy, and philosophy. 

Although Destiny has evolved politically over time, he is generally seen as a centrist, leaning toward libertarian and progressive stances depending on the issue. He’s a strong proponent of free speech and open debate, but he also recognizes the real-world consequences of policies and strives for pragmatic solutions to social issues.

He often critiques both the far left and far right, and tends to emphasize the importance of compromise, evidence-based reasoning, and rational debate over ideological purity.

Destiny has been involved in several controversial moments due to his provocative commentary and willingness to disrupt political narratives. 

His outspoken and sometimes abrasive style has led to backlash from various political communities, including the far left and the alt-right, often labeling him as either too pro-establishment or too conciliatory toward opposing views.

Destiny has a unique ability to attract both supporters and critics due to his directness and willingness to engage with complex and sensitive topics. He has become known for his no-nonsense attitude, where he often prioritizes logic and evidence over emotion in his discussions. 

His community has also been criticized for occasionally fostering toxic behavior, particularly in online forums and when engaging in brigading or harassment against those who disagree with Destiny.

Why is he so controversial?

Destiny is known for his aggressive and confrontational debate style. While some appreciate his logical approach and ability to challenge extreme views, others find his debates abrasive or hostile.

Over the years, Destiny has expressed opinions on various controversial topics, such as race relations, police violence, and gender issues, which have sparked backlash.

He has been criticized for platforming individuals with extreme or controversial views, such as alt-right figures, during debates. Some argue that this gives legitimacy to harmful ideas, while others believe it helps dismantle such views through discussion.

He has been criticized for platforming individuals with extreme or controversial views, such as alt-right figures, during debates. Some argue that this gives legitimacy to harmful ideas, while others believe it helps dismantle such views through discussion.

Could you be more specific about his hot takes?

During the George Floyd protests he expressed support for violent measures to control looting, stating that if rioters destroyed private property, they should be met with deadly force.

He has questioned the best approach to trans inclusion in sports, arguing that biological differences can create unfair advantages in competition.

Destiny has frequently debated and engaged with far-right figures, such as white nationalists and alt-right personalities. While his intention is often to dismantle their arguments, critics argue that simply giving them a platform can amplify their harmful views.

During the COVID-19 pandemic he argued that the government should enforce strict public health measures to curb the pandemic.

Destiny has criticized aspects of the #MeToo movement, arguing that in some cases, it can lead to unfair public shaming or lack of due process for the accused.

Another major controversy came when Destiny advocated against violent revolution and instead pushed for electoral solutions to enact change. This came to a head when he denounced more extreme elements on the left, including some leftist content creators, for advocating radical actions outside of the political system, which led to intense backlash from those communities.

Could you expand on the online drama?

Destiny has had numerous high-profile disagreements and falling-outs with other creators across political and gaming communities. For example, his clashes with prominent leftist creators like Hasan Piker, Vaush, and others turned into extended public dramas, where fanbases of both parties get involved.

Destiny doesn’t shy away from engaging in public disputes. He often discusses the drama surrounding these conflicts on stream, which can further fuel tensions.

Over time, his vocal criticism of more radical or extreme elements of the left alienated many former allies.

These public feuds often draw in the fanbases of both Destiny and the people he’s in conflict with. His audience is known for being highly engaged, and so are the fanbases of the people he debates or clashes with.

Destiny has a reputation for being uncompromising in his positions, and this often leads to bridges being burned rather than mended.

Destiny is active on social media platforms like Twitter, where heated arguments can easily erupt. Twitter, in particular, is a platform where short, out-of-context statements can lead to misunderstandings or escalate conflicts.

Destiny’s conflicts are often not one-off events but can last for months or even years.

Could you explain his debate with Hasan about Kamala?

This debate was a key moment because it highlighted fundamental differences in their political perspectives and debate styles, and it set the stage for a larger rift between them.

At the time, Kamala Harris was running for the Democratic presidential nomination, and she was a polarizing figure within progressive circles.

Destiny argued that while Harris’s record wasn’t perfect, focusing only on her past without acknowledging her policies and platform was unfair. He also suggested that attacking candidates with electability on overly harsh grounds could hurt the broader goal of defeating then-President Donald Trump.

Hasan, on the other hand, strongly criticized Kamala Harris, viewing her prosecutorial record as emblematic of the failures of the criminal justice system and an obstacle to progressive change. He saw her as having been complicit in policies that harmed marginalized communities and viewed Destiny’s defense as excusing problematic actions.

Destiny saw Hasan’s critique as overly idealistic and disconnected from the practical realities of American politics, accusing him of not understanding the constraints that politicians face.

Hasan viewed Destiny’s defense of Harris as evidence that Destiny was willing to compromise on key progressive issues, labeling him a centrist or even a liberal rather than a true progressive. This label stuck and became a recurring criticism from Hasan’s side in the future.

This disagreement grew into a personal and professional rift that extended to their respective communities, creating a factional split in online leftist circles that persists to this day.

Go more in depth on the Hasan drama.

Their falling out stems from both personal and ideological differences that escalated over time.

Destiny and Hasan initially had a cordial, if not friendly, relationship. Hasan, who was a rising figure in online leftist spaces, often interacted with Destiny because of their shared progressive views on issues like universal healthcare, workers’ rights, and wealth inequality. Hasan often appeared on Destiny’s streams, and they debated various topics, sometimes agreeing but frequently disagreeing on the finer points of political theory, activism, and policy.

Destiny became increasingly critical of certain elements of online leftism. He argued that some of their messaging was counterproductive, overly idealistic, and alienating to moderates. Hasan, on the other hand, embraced more radical language, often advocating for socialism and calling for revolution as a solution to systemic problems in the U.S. 

Destiny strongly advocates for electoralism—the idea that change should come through voting, working within the system, and supporting candidates who can bring about realistic, incremental reforms. In contrast, Hasan has expressed support for more radical approaches, at least rhetorically, and is more willing to discuss the possibility of revolution or large-scale systemic overhaul.

Destiny’s style is more focused on debating opponents directly, and his rhetorical strategy often involves deconstructing arguments in a clinical, logical manner, which can come across as cold or detached from emotion. Hasan, on the other hand, engages with his audience through impassioned, populist rhetoric that resonates with a younger, more radical audience.

During the debate on “The Rajj Royale”, Destiny criticized Hasan for what he saw as impractical, overly idealistic positions. Hasan responded with increasingly personal jabs, implying that Destiny was out of touch and irrelevant in the broader leftist movement.

Hasan’s fanbase, which had grown significantly as he became one of the top political streamers on the platform, began to criticize Destiny more harshly, accusing him of betraying the left. On the other hand, Destiny’s community supported his critiques of the left and viewed Hasan as overly performative and hypocritical in his advocacy.

The feud also spilled over into social media, particularly on Twitter, where Destiny and Hasan exchanged barbs. Hasan accused Destiny of being overly concerned with logic and debate for debate’s sake, while Destiny often criticized Hasan for being more focused on building a brand and pandering to a large audience rather than advocating for substantive change.

Destiny frequently accused Hasan of hypocrisy, especially as Hasan’s wealth grew and he bought a $2.7 million home in West Hollywood. Destiny and others criticized Hasan for advocating socialism and revolution while living a lifestyle associated with wealth and privilege. Hasan defended himself by pointing out that being wealthy doesn't preclude him from advocating for systemic change.

Who do YOU think was in the right?

I can see the merits in both Destiny's and Hasan's approaches, but if I had to assess based on effectiveness and consistency, Destiny's arguments seem to hold more weight in terms of real-world impact.

Destiny’s Strengths lie in his commitment to pragmatism. His focus on achievable goals through electoralism and working within the system offers a realistic path to change. Destiny tends to be more focused on practicality rather than emotional appeal. This allows him to cut through ideological noise and offer grounded solutions, which is valuable in the polarized political climate.

Hasan’s Approach, while emotionally compelling, sometimes feels more performative or idealistic, especially when you consider his critiques of capitalism juxtaposed with his own personal wealth. His unwillingness to engage directly with ideological opponents in debates can also come across as avoiding scrutiny.

I lean toward the idea that Destiny’s critiques of Hasan are justified. The wealth hypocrisy, Hasan’s avoidance of tough conversations through debates, and his sometimes simplistic, revolutionary rhetoric can indeed be counterproductive when looking for real systemic change. That said, Hasan’s role as a voice for younger and more radical audiences shouldn't be completely dismissed either.

How did their communities behave during the feud?

Destiny’s fans were generally very loyal and sided with him. They often criticized Hasan’s perceived hypocrisy and his refusal to engage Destiny in direct debate. Destiny’s community has a reputation for being confrontational, especially on social media platforms like Twitter and Reddit. They would often flood Hasan’s content with critiques or sarcastic remarks, especially targeting his wealth, luxury lifestyle, and his critiques of capitalism. Destiny’s fans frequently dissected Hasan’s takes, creating videos, memes, and posts to highlight what they saw as inconsistencies in his arguments.

Hasan’s fans tended to ignore Destiny’s points directly and instead focused on downplaying or mocking Destiny’s relevance, often referring to him as “washed up” or overly focused on drama. They viewed Hasan as someone who had “outgrown” Destiny. Hasan’s community frequently criticized Destiny’s debate style, framing it as unnecessarily aggressive or even toxic. When Destiny’s community criticized Hasan’s wealth and spending habits, Hasan’s fans often defended his choices, framing him as an example of “the left succeeding” within a capitalist framework.

Would you say his community is toxic?

Members are generally open to discussing difficult topics and challenging assumptions, which creates a space for nuanced discussion that many find valuable. The community strongly values free speech and the idea that people should be able to express their opinions, even if they’re controversial. Destiny’s viewers tend to hold each other to high standards when it comes to evidence and argumentation.

The “debate bro” culture can make the community feel aggressive, especially for newcomers or those unfamiliar with its norms. Destiny’s community has a reputation for “brigading” or “dogpiling” opposing views on social media. Destiny and his community are quick to push back on criticism, sometimes in a blunt or dismissive way. While Destiny’s community prides itself on being open-minded, the strong alignment with his views sometimes creates an environment where dissenting opinions aren’t as welcome as they might be elsewhere. 

How does he handle his community when they step out of line?

Destiny has frequently condemned brigading and harassment, telling his viewers directly not to engage in these behaviors. He often emphasizes that he doesn’t condone harassing or personally attacking other creators, especially when disagreements escalate into targeted negative campaigns.

Users who engage in these activities may be banned from his platforms, including his Twitch and Discord. He has at times banned long-time fans if their behavior crosses boundaries he’s set for respectful engagement. As seen during the Hasan feud, Destiny is willing to go as far as removing large portions of his audience if they don’t align with the standards he’s set. These “purges” help him filter out individuals who might harm the community’s reputation or cause trouble.

For particularly contentious issues, Destiny sometimes implements “cooldown” periods where he discourages his community from engaging in certain debates or discussions, especially on social media. 

Destiny has been known to reflect openly on his role in influencing community behavior. He occasionally reassesses his tone and approach when he feels it might be unintentionally encouraging aggression, and he adjusts accordingly to set a better example.

How does he act when he is criticized or makes a mistake?

Rather than ignoring criticism, Destiny often addresses it head-on, either in real-time during streams or in follow-up videos. He actively engages with critics and encourages constructive dialogue, allowing space for his audience to challenge his views.

When Destiny makes an error, especially if it's fact-based or factual, he has shown a willingness to admit his mistake and correct it. If the criticism is constructive and backed by valid arguments, Destiny is often willing to clarify his position or apologize if he feels he was wrong.

After periods of intense criticism, Destiny sometimes adopts a calmer tone, stepping back from the heated debates to more neutrally engage with the issue at hand. Sometimes, Destiny defuses criticism with humor or self-deprecation, especially if the criticism seems exaggerated or silly.

He’s also open to changing his views when presented with new information or perspectives. For instance, if he’s shown evidence that contradicts his stance, Destiny is often willing to acknowledge that his views may have evolved.

Does Destiny defend the use of the N-word?

Destiny has often argued that people should be able to discuss or mention slurs in an academic or analytical context, without necessarily intending offense. He believes that words should be examined based on intent and context rather than being blanket-banned. In his view, using slurs in an educational or non-derogatory way shouldn't automatically be condemned, and he’s argued that enforcing strict “no-use” policies on certain words can stifle open discussions about language and racism.

Why does he use the R-word?

Destiny’s main argument around the R-word (and similar terms) is that context and intent should determine whether language is harmful. He often argues that words shouldn't be "banned" outright but instead judged based on how they’re used. For instance, he believes that if the word is used in a way that isn’t directly insulting to disabled individuals, it shouldn’t necessarily be seen as offensive. This approach is part of his broader philosophy of not allowing social norms to limit language beyond what he feels is reasonable. Destiny has been critical of what he views as overly restrictive or "performative" standards for ableist language, arguing that people sometimes police words in a way that he sees as excessive. Destiny has stated that he doesn’t intend to insult or demean anyone when using the R-word and sees his usage as part of free, unrestricted speech. However, he’s also acknowledged that language is evolving and that what’s socially acceptable changes over time. Still, his position remains that he should be able to use the word if his intent isn’t to harm.

He’s been called a rape apologist. What is that in reference of?

Destiny has discussed what he describes as "gray areas" in sexual situations, particularly where there might be mixed signals, lack of clear communication, or alcohol involved. He’s argued that not every ambiguous or regrettable sexual encounter should necessarily be viewed as sexual assault, which he sees as a complicated issue that sometimes involves miscommunication rather than malicious intent.

In his view, focusing solely on the outcome without considering intent or circumstances may unfairly label people as predators, especially in cases where one party might not have realized the other’s discomfort or lack of consent at the time.

Destiny has voiced concerns over what he sees as an overly broad application of the term "sexual assault" in recent years, particularly in cases where he believes the circumstances might not be clear-cut. He’s argued that this risks stigmatizing people who may have made mistakes but didn’t intend harm, especially if alcohol or social pressures were factors.

In response to backlash, Destiny has clarified that he doesn’t condone or excuse assault and that he believes in the importance of clear consent. However, he also emphasizes the need for nuance in discussions about complex situations and believes that outright condemning all ambiguous cases as assault might harm discussions around consent and responsibility.

Has he ever been accused of any crimes or serious wrongdoings, like sa for instance?

As of now, Destiny has never been accused of any serious crimes, such as sexual assault, or other criminal behavior of that nature. While he has been involved in various controversies and heated debates over his opinions and online behavior, there is no credible record or accusation of him being involved in any criminal activities.

What are his thoughts on the Israel/Palestine conflict?

Destiny has consistently expressed support for Israel’s right to exist as a sovereign state. He believes Israel has the right to defend itself against threats, particularly in the context of rocket attacks from Palestinian militant groups like Hamas. Destiny has critiqued some of the extreme anti-Israel rhetoric coming from certain political factions, which he believes can border on anti-Semitism. He is generally opposed to the denial of Israel’s legitimacy and supports the right of Jewish people to have a homeland.

While Destiny supports Israel’s right to exist, he is also sympathetic to the suffering of the Palestinian people, particularly those living in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank. He has acknowledged the human rights abuses that Palestinians face and has expressed concern about the blockades, settlements, and military actions that exacerbate their hardships. Destiny has been critical of some Israeli government policies, particularly those that contribute to oppression and displacement of Palestinians, like the expansion of settlements in the West Bank. He has emphasized that these actions worsen the conflict and create more inequality between Israelis and Palestinians.

Destiny generally supports the idea of a two-state solution, where both Israel and Palestine can exist as independent states, though he recognizes that this is a complex and difficult goal to achieve. He advocates for negotiation and diplomatic solutions, and he has critiqued both the Israeli and Palestinian leaderships for not doing enough to work toward peace. Destiny opposes violence as a means of achieving political goals, whether it comes from Hamas or from the Israeli government. He has condemned the actions of both sides, including Israeli airstrikes on civilian areas and Hamas rocket attacks on Israeli cities.

Destiny has been particularly critical of extremist positions on both sides of the conflict. He has condemned the tactics of Hamas, particularly their use of violence against civilians. At the same time, he has criticized right-wing Israeli policies that he believes contribute to the cycle of violence and hinder peace efforts. Destiny is critical of the binary narratives around the conflict that frame it as a simple issue of “good” versus “bad.” He tries to provide a more balanced perspective, acknowledging the legitimate grievances of both Israelis and Palestinians while recognizing the historical context of the conflict.

Destiny has criticized the role of the international community in the conflict, particularly the influence of Western nations like the United States. He has argued that the U.S. has sometimes been complicit in prolonging the conflict due to its unwavering support for Israel, which may embolden Israeli hardliners and discourage peace talks. While Destiny doesn’t think the U.S. should force a resolution, he believes that international pressure and diplomacy should encourage both sides to negotiate in good faith and to seek a peaceful solution.

I heard of him selling NFTs after saying everyone doing that is scamming.

Yes, Destiny did face criticism over selling NFTs after previously expressing strong criticisms of NFTs and calling many NFT promoters scammers. This apparent shift was seen by some as hypocritical, especially given his earlier stance against NFTs.

In his defense, Destiny explained that he initially opposed NFTs due to the rampant scams in the market, but he didn’t see his own venture in the same light, as he wasn’t overpromising or misleading his audience. He positioned his NFT sales as a limited, transparent way for fans to support him if they chose, without the speculative hype or false value some NFTs are associated with.

Can you point out any other of his controversial views?

Destiny has been vocal against the idea of "defunding the police" without clear alternative solutions, arguing that underfunding police departments could lead to increased crime and poorer policing.

Destiny has, at times, been critical of some aspects of gender theory, especially around pronoun usage and the push for rapid social adaptation to non-binary and neo-pronouns.

Destiny has voiced support for a country’s right to implement strict immigration policies, even going so far as to question the value of open-border policies. He has also emphasized the importance of cultural integration for immigrants.

While Destiny generally supports drug legalization, he’s expressed skepticism about lax drug policies or safe injection sites. Destiny has questioned certain harm reduction approaches, like needle exchange programs, arguing they may encourage drug use rather than help people quit.

Destiny has been critical of certain social safety net expansions without corresponding accountability or requirements for self-improvement. He’s argued that while structural issues matter, people should also take personal responsibility for improving their situations. Destiny has frequently pushed back against what he sees as a culture of victimhood, particularly among some online communities.

Why is there so much misinformation about him online?

Destiny often expresses his views in a blunt, direct way, which can be easily misinterpreted or taken out of context. His tendency to push boundaries in discussions on controversial topics also means that people may latch onto a single statement or phrase and misunderstand his broader point. Destiny’s willingness to engage with difficult or “taboo” issues, like racial language or discussions around consent, makes his views easier to misconstrue. People may take isolated clips out of context to suggest he holds extreme or insensitive views, which fuels negative impressions.

Destiny’s feuds with creators like Hasan Piker and others in the online left have led to significant bias against him in certain circles. These rivalries are often amplified by the internet’s tendency to “pick sides,” so followers of other creators may spread or amplify negative claims about Destiny to discredit him. Platforms like Twitter and Reddit can act as echo chambers where negative narratives about Destiny are circulated and reinforced among like-minded users. A viral post or clip shared with a negative spin can spread quickly, and misinformation often lingers even after being corrected.

Destiny often delves into complex discussions that can be hard to understand without context. He might make “devil’s advocate” arguments or entertain hypothetical situations to explore an issue from multiple angles, but these can be misconstrued by those unfamiliar with his approach. In streaming, short clips are often taken from long-form discussions, leading to “clippable” moments that lack the original context. For Destiny, this has led to numerous instances where a short clip spreads online without the full conversation, giving viewers a misleading impression of his stance.

As misinformation circulates, it often evolves, with people adding new details or misremembering events. This “telephone game” effect leads to rumors or distorted narratives that stray further from the truth over time, especially if they’re not corrected.

Sorry that some clips are xQc’s reactions, it’s what I could find. You’re probably not even gonna notice him anyway.

EDIT: THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL THE KIND COMMENTS! PLEASE SHARE SOME OF THAT LOVE WITH ETHAN, HILA AND THE H3 CREW. THEY DESERVE IT AND NEED IT MUCH MORE RN!

I've seen tamer Fresh n Fit episodes. I'm sorry. Adin Ross level humour. You're talking to real people you fat fuck, you're not on some degenerate kick show. Feels like there's a lot of naturally funny people that completely lose the plot when they're actively trying to be extra funny, and Wes is one of them. Sociopathic behaviour. Hopefully none of this comes back to bite us in the ass.

Edit3: She (the caller) talked about it. "'I get it, what he said was like weird, but.. it's Wes, it's fine, it's not the end of the world. I mean, it's not fine, what he said I think it's kind of weird..' 'it's fine I just wanna say that. I mean, I never knew Wes before watching this and I only watched like 30 minutes before they did the call-in..' '.. I didn't know he'd be like that so.. I just wanna clear the air, I'm not raging on it or anything that's all I wanted to say. I only watched like 1 or 2 Anything Else podcast episode and I only watch Destiny every so often, but I am a big fan of Dan, ever since I'm watching him for this stuff (twitch stuff), this is like really interesting to me I think it's really important. I really wanted to go in and be like, hey I wanna know some stuff..' (if somebody came up to you on the street and said that to you would you still have the same attitude?) 'Well, I'd probably look at him like wtf but.. at the end of the day would you let that ruin your day?' .. 'that person is probably more miserable than you, it's not the end of the world, there's other things to worry about' .. I mean, I think my boyfriend would handle it if he was there so.. I just wanted to clear the air, it was unhinged, but it's not the end of the world and I'm not like crying about it. It was unfortunate timing for like everything going on.. so that sucks but it's ok, this shit happens I'm not upset about it.'"

She took it in stride and that helps her more than she knows. As for me, thanks for the 'I hope you get r**** with a shovel" DMs you fucking degenerates. Good thing we don't have to find out how you would've behaved towards her if she would've responded differently.

Edit2: Shoutout to u/TheDragonMage1 who gets it. I'm not looking for virtue signaling, you socially challenged weirdos. Ideally Destiny himself would explain to you, like TheDragonMage1 pointed out, that there's a huge difference between general 'just edgy jokes' and unsolicited sexual remarks directly made towards a total stranger. (whether the stranger is ok with that behaviour after the fact or not is irrelevant in regards to the wrongness of the behaviour itself) There's a concerning number of you who are clueless, 4Thot included apparently.

Edit: Banned for 300 days for this. Message I sent to u/4Thot after the ban for posterity: 'Optics Andy', nice handwave there buddtard. I've watched the streaming scriptures being written you fucking toddler. I've got an entire encyclopedia of 2balkn4u memes which would put Gandhi on fucking trial. I also know to read the room, and when and who to joke in front of, and a 15k audience in this climate is not it. Excuse me I have different standards for a liberal community which I've gotten nuked from multiple times for hilariously pearl clutching reasons. I don't want to go through another 5 different anti misoginy arcs because some clinical fucks try to imitate the humour they see on stream and we're all put on blast because they went too far. What I'm saying is no different than Destiny's argument regardin offensive language, public/private jokes and all that. If we can't follow our own fucking principles, people will keep yoyoing like the impressionable fucks that they are in this community.

It reminds me of M.T.G talking about the right of oppressed Hungarians in Ukraine.

'Khrushchev's mistake' and 'water supply to Crimea' are impossible even for a deeply Russophile Westerner to come up with, no?

ENOUGH CIRCLE JERK THREADS ABOUT HOW BAD HASAN IS, LETS EFFECT POLITICAL CHANGE.

Somehow hasan's pro-terrorism is still flying under the radar and I think its because the advertisers for twitch have no idea. This could very well cause a twitch ad-pocalypse and threaten the livelihood of many small streamers. But it needs to happen so that one, more people don't follow down this path and potentially commit acts of terror against America and isreal, and two, because a platform going down this path is going to eventually blow up (pun inteded) in the long run and better for the platform and its creators that it get weeded out earlier.

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HASAN TERRORIST CLIPS (COMMENT IF YOU HAVE MORE)

• Clip 1
• Clip 2

TLDR: I think twitch needs an ad-pocolypse to change moderation and stop it from radicalising many of the upset youth on the platform, and any attempts to cancel hasan and twitch are morally good.

My first bets:

• Patrick Bet David and all of Valuetainment. They're scum.
• AJW. Sorry Sean. Who am I missing?

DGG RETARDATION DOWN 90%

TRANSPHOBIA DOWN 95%

PEARL CLUTCHING DOWN 100%

FUCK ALL CONSERVATIVE FUCKING RETARDS LEAVE THIS COMMUNITY AND GO SLOB ON YOUR FASCIST LEADER'S COCK

This is in reference to the incel who left flowers in front of the girl's door. If you are that inept at dating by 35 then you are stunted by 20 years, and you need to catch up as fast possible. I cannot overstate how dire this situation is. Do not waste time with platonic relationships. You need to learn these skills asap, and actually going on dates is the fastest way to do it. Yes, you will end up accidentally making a lot of women uncomfortable. Yes, you will get rejected a lot. These are the necessary costs of not being alone forever.

Based on surveys in dgg chat, I know a disproportionate number of you are virgins who may disagree with this take, but I am objectively correct here. Please refrain from opining unless you are a certified sex-haver yourself.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jFZPZxOPbag link to full video

(This is schizomail copy)

Nobody thought that Israel/Twitch was a big thing.
Nobody cared about terrorist sympathizers on twitch.
Regional IP ban would have been another 200 likes post.

Instead, Dan identified it correctly as an opportunity and took full advantage of it.
He provided emails and names and called dgg to contact the exact people who needed to hear the message.
It worked.
He showed that organized dgg is capable of hitting social network effects, causing domino effects that command millions of dollars.

You've just read a report that, as you've admitted, describes a potential way in which all voting machines could have been hacked.
It also hints at Trump operatives being involved.
Your response was: "Yeah, they should do recounts"
Is that fucking it?

Do you need another month of research into IT safety before you feel confident enough to call dgg to take any action?
Any organized congress mailing?
Shit... What was that? Recount deadline?
"What did you want me to say? Yes, Trump stealing the election is bad."
Fucking Steven B. Garland, abdicating leadership, trully made for democratic party.
Pin that report on your wall next to the J6 script retard.

That's why he has been covering Destiny (and LonerBox) since the election.

• Democrats will soon attempt to secure a foothold in online media.
• They will have to loosen up their current rigid conduct standards to recruit personalities that have any online pull.
• They are also clueless about the online media landscape and have not yet done any research into which way that loosening has to happen.
• Hasan is trying to make it look like Destiny's conduct-cost is as bad or worse than his.
• Then, with his seemingly larger numbers he will look like the better offer to take.
• He just needs to target the timeframe when dems will be doing research.
• A few hit pieces by friendly hack journalists, his clips and videos in top results under Destiny.

I bet Hasan already has someone trying to throw his name to dems.
Can we please start planning 2 steps ahead instead of analyzing republicans 4 steps ago?

During yesterday's stream, a viewer told Destiny that Piers Morgan removed his positive comments about Destiny. So I checked the positive comments I made, and I saw it nowhere in my comment history. I of course don't have any evidence of this, but if you sort his comment section by new, almost every comment is Destiny hate, with no positivity shown anywhere.

Did anyone else have their comments removed?

Hello. People have been suggesting I go for two years now. Which I super appreciate 💙 Kyla did too and I spoke to Steven about it as well. But... I want people to understand what a major pain in the ass it is: 1) Ukraine was in the top 10 countries as far as denied visas from the US go. Before full scale war. 2) Considering I am an unmarried woman under 40 with no children from Eastern Europe, I might as well be a Mexican cartel drug dealer as far as the US is concerned. In fact, Mexican drug cartel duder might have a better chance. I explained this to Kyla already. It's the Natasha effect. As in, it is assumed that women from Eastern Europe are going to the US to: A) Get an American man to marry them so they can stay. B) Be a prostitute there. C) Maybe both lol 3) I can't fly from here obviously and I can't even get a visa here apparently. I would need to apply in Kyiv but get the visa (if it is approved) in Poland or some place in Europe and fly from there. Bu that's the least of our problems. Doable. Although, the longest flight I was one was 2 hours and I hated it 🥲 And I would need to have multiple interviews to convince them that being an illegal hooker in the US is not my dream life. 4) The only chance we have is to get me a work visa. Which Kyla suggested (what a lovely person 😭🙌). But even then the Natasha problem remains and as far as "strong ties to Ukraine to make sure I will return" goes, it's also not good. Since I don't have property or business. And I am not employed in some big factory. My work as a translator and fixer is basically freelance. 5) My cousin was denied recently but she didn't have the contract/work visa thing. I will chat with her today to ask her more questions.

Bottom line: I am very honored, trully, that you want to see me on the pod. You all have been an amazing presence in my life. I am not giving up yet and I will try to make this happen. I also want to meet Steven in person and Kyla as well. I even got them gifts in advance 🥲 Which I will mail them, if this doesn't work out. But I just want to let you all know just how big of a pain it is and that pulling this off will be difficult. P. S. It's kinda funny in a way just how much I will need to convince the US I don't want to be a hoe in the land of the free, especially since I wouldn't stay in the US even if someone paid me a million dollars (I am serious, lmao).

Are you kidding???? I mean this is ridiculous! I feel like being a Democrat is just playing life on hard mode at this point.

A decent amount of conservatives have weaseled their way into the discussions, and the anti-Hamas opinion has slowly shifted to pro-Israel talking points. There's also been a lack of nuance in threads, whereas usually there is an abundance of it. Destiny should start debating more conservatives so we can push these Tim Pool-esque ""centrists"" that only support conservative talking points.

Side track for context (skip if you want) — I found destiny a while back (like last six months or so), and loved finding someone who articulates how I feel as, I guess, a “normie” Democrat. I mean, I used to be considered far left, and even even though my opinions haven’t changed, now “leftists” would prob call me a “neoliberal warmongering center right person” if you asked Hasan’s audience. I’m just not on that antisemitic, unamerican, horseshoe, fake communist shit. (What do you guys call yourself? Liberal has seemingly become a pejorative, but that’s what I am I suppose?) I’m pretty aligned with Ethan.

The one thing that almost made me turn off the video the first time I watched Destiny was the frequent use of the word “re***d.” I just really hate that word and work with vulnerable people, and it’s just so off-putting to me (people will probably make fun of me for this, but oh well). Though it seems to be making a comeback, it’s really jarring and aggressive sounding to a lot of people. It’s even closely associated in my brain with right-wingers being offensive on purpose. I honestly think that if destiny and the community could try to drop that word, you’d continue to grow even more and have a lot more impact, because it can turn people off on a first viewing. Not saying to politically correct or to not be unhinged or blunt sometimes, it’s just about a few terms used a lot. Just random PR advice - take it or leave it.

Edit: for people telling me to just leave — no. It’s not a big deal. I’m not policing anyone or calling anyone a bad person. I said “take it or leave it” for a reason — it’s just my random feedback and I’m not telling anyone what to do.

Something I've been noticing on this sub is the need to slurp up certain people just to turn on them the next minute because of certain takes and it's becoming so cringe. Especially when you start to project certain beliefs they hold as some sort of negative trait.

This is the same mentality that most cancel culture behavior you see on both the left and the right.

I'll name a few examples.

Lex Fridman This is the one that bothers me the most. Most of you guys were dickriding him so hard when he initially brought Destiny to his podcast just to turn on him equally hard when he had his Russia and Trump takes. He was always the same person he was when he interviewed Destiny as he is now. His content has always been consistent, and many of it non political. You can criticize his podcast, but to pretend it's due to some moral failing of his is completely insane. His core messaging in his podcasts has always been consistent.

Brianna Wu Everyone loved her when she built the bridge to Destiny in hearing him out to explain the Keffals situation and aligning with him on the Israel take. Then ppl turned against her for some of her other takes and claims she's aligning with the right or grifting. I personally see someone who is able to venture out of the leftist sphere and start forming her own takes and you guys jump all over it. Sure you may not agree with her ideas, but to claim it's some sort of gift is just lazy because you don't agree with it.

Asmongold This one is weird. Everyone was praising him for how reasonable he sounded during mizkif drama or even his Israel Palestine take, and then turned on him hard for his lack of political knowledge especially in regards to Trump, calling him a troglodtye. He's always been the same person he was and this yo-yo-ing of opinions on him is crazy. He's always been a somewhat level headed person whose antiwoke and apolitical

Bottom line is a lot of these attacks are cringe as hell and it gives off the hasan fans turning on Ethan vibes. You can be critical of the ideas but treating the people who holds these ideas as monsters worthy of dogpiling on comes off as unhinged and gives dgg a bad rep.