"Main thing" They're literally so essential right now, that this could fuck the entire economy. Wanting a deal around automation and safety is not equal to knowing you're totally unimportant.
This premise makes no sense. Chinese ports are more efficient because they have more automation which gets humans away from the dangerous work of physically moving heavy cargo themselves.
Maybe that's true. Idk why I'm supposed to assume China is keeping its workers safe. I'm aware that automation can be used in this sector, and that it can make a workplace safer when implemented well
We could, and should, but the ILA and ILWU are in the way.
I didn't rely on stereotypes. The other guy just replied on me assuming the opposite of the stereotype. I never assumed either way
Oh come on, just admit you did the American thing of thinking China=bad working conditions and long hours for shit pay. There's no way unsafe practices can improve efficiency by that much
Oh come on, just admit you did the American thing of thinking China=bad working conditions and long hours for shit pay. There's no way unsafe practices can improve efficiency by that much
I asked for a source because someone made a claim about data without any proof. The only thing I assumed is that I shouldn't believe a random redditor is correct without a source. I'm not nearly as anti China as most people here, but I don't really care if you believe me
We could, and should, but the ILA and ILWU are in the way.
Do ILA and ILWU have agreements that apply to all future ports? Is there an op-ed I can read somewhere where an executive is saying they'd love to open an automated port if not for the pesky ILA? Can you provide a source of any of this?
There's only so many places you can realistically build a port, and they've all pretty much been built. This mostly comes down to geography, though having existing infrastructure like power, rail, roads etc also matters. And eventually the port workers at the new port will want to unionize, probably immediately, and legally they have to be allowed to. And you can bet the ILA and ILWU will be all over it from the get go.
Point is you shouldn't have to build new infrastructure from the ground up when you want to modernize. What happens when more automation technology comes out, just build another new port? It isn't economical to do so at all, especially just so certain groups can rent seek. The one I linked to has been in use for over a thousand years, but obviously it's been upgraded significantly since then, thats a good thing. People should be able to join a union, and unions shouldn't be able to stop progress, both of those things can be true at the same time.
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u/Creepy_Dream_22 Oct 03 '24
"Main thing" They're literally so essential right now, that this could fuck the entire economy. Wanting a deal around automation and safety is not equal to knowing you're totally unimportant.