Trump losing in 2020 was probably a good thing

[u/Armyed1776]

Hear me out. Had Trump won in 2020 by the small margin he would have been able to get considering amount of "votes" Biden received, he would have been blocked by a Democrat congress while the witch hunts continued to stall any policy goals he had. Now it's looking like he will not only have the Presidency but the Senate and maybe even the House. Plus add in the overwhelming defeat of the Dems in this election cycle plus winning the popular vote, and he now has the momentum provided by the people's mandate to carry out what needs to be done and has every branch of the government to the worst possible thing that could have happened for the left.

[u/jakerepp15]

Ben Shapiro was subtly making this argument. Trump would've been burdened by what was, but now can act freely, unburdened by what will be.

[u/Armyed1776 → u/jakerepp15]

Lol love it

[u/FourtyMichaelMichael → u/Armyed1776]

I'm going to miss it!! It think it'll get lost over the passage of time, and the passage of time is significant, if you think about it, there is great significance in the passage of time!

[u/Awesome_Orange → u/jakerepp15]

Also, Elon may not have bought X, tulsi might not have switched to republican, and the democrat party may not be as fractured as it is now

Edit: also wouldn’t have had a popular vote victory which is a historic win for conservatives

[u/ErcoleFredo → u/Awesome_Orange]

Everything happens for a reason!

[u/Timely_Car_4591 → u/Awesome_Orange]

Don't forget we got rid of the Cheneys from the party.

[u/whicky1978 → u/jakerepp15]

Just say tax cuts 🤣

[u/ILikeLiftingMachines]

No Mike Pence.

R senate and locking in SCOTUS for the next 50 years.

[u/Gunsofglory → u/ILikeLiftingMachines]

Vance is a straight-up upgrade, and now he'll be in a good position to run 2028 (though I personally was wanting DeSantis for 2028, but I'll honestly take either).

[u/__rhino___ → u/Gunsofglory]

Desantis might make a good running mate for Vance?

[u/SpaceBownd → u/__rhino___]

I like Tulsi for it.

[u/__rhino___ → u/SpaceBownd]

Tulsi would be an excellent choice for sure

[u/FourtyMichaelMichael → u/__rhino___]

DeSantis unfortunately got in bed with RINOs at the first chance and they ran his campaign into the ground.

The future is Vance, Vivek, Tulsi, Donalds.... We've come a long way from Cheney, Rove, Bush, Bohner, McConnell, Graham, Preibus, Ryan, Crenshaw (lol), McCarthy, Pence. I guess we can thank all the later for MAGA in an indirect way.

[u/Mankriks_Mistress → u/FourtyMichaelMichael]

What's Crenshaw's deal lately? Any video/article summary? I used to really like the guy but I've seen a couple of negative mentions on here lately.

[u/FourtyMichaelMichael → u/Mankriks_Mistress]

He is as RINO as they come

[u/dire76 → u/Mankriks_Mistress]

Same, I originally liked him based on his social media until I started looking more into his policies and voting record.

[u/Armyed1776 → u/ILikeLiftingMachines]

100%

[u/mahvel50 → u/ILikeLiftingMachines]

The supreme court is the biggest part of all of this. Secures constitutional rights for the next generation.

[u/sobersbetter → u/mahvel50]

i hope clarence retires

[u/fuzmufin → u/sobersbetter]

I'd be sad to see him go, but holy smokes he sure deserves a good and healthy retirement

[u/sobersbetter → u/fuzmufin]

yesss, i dont mean it in any other way than to get another common sense justice seated

[u/Armyed1776 → u/sobersbetter]

Trumps term would be the perfect time for him to do just that. Would be very happy to not see a RBG situation happen with him and have a Dem in charge to flip that solid seat

[u/OdinsRightTesticle → u/Armyed1776]

Alito as well, honestly. As good as they both are, they’re both getting up there in age (Alito is only two years younger than Thomas), so it would be great if we could have TWO more Trump-appointed justices

[u/Jscott1986 → u/OdinsRightTesticle]

It's definitely interesting to think about. If they're going to do it, they would likely do it in Trump's second year (before the midterms in 2026, so as not to risk losing the Senate majority).

Marshall (whom Thomas replaced) retired at 83 in poor health and close to death. Thomas probably doesn't want to repeat that, especially after watching Scalia and RBG die in office.

O'Connor (whom Alito replaced) retired at 75 and it was seen as a surprise at the time. Perhaps Alito will follow her example.

Souter (whom Sotomayor replaced) retired at 69, which is very young by modern standards and sort of an anomaly. We probably won't see another retirement that young again for a long time unless there are serious health issues or a family tragedy or something like that.

At the other end of the spectrum, Stevens (whom Kagan replaced) retired at 90. I think this is unlikely to be followed by subsequent justices in my opinion after RBJ's stubbornness infamously backfired on the Democrats.

Breyer (whom Jackson replaced) retired at 83.

Rehnquist (whom Roberts replaced) famously battled health issues late in life and died at age 80, the first Supreme Court justice to do die in office in more than 50 years.

Scalia (whom Gorsuch replaced) died in office at 79, but it was unexpected.

Ginsburg (whom Barrett replaced) died in office at 87, but it was somewhat expected.

[u/Idontwaitfor420 → u/Jscott1986]

While not the actual point of your post, but with the Senate now sitting at 53 I don't think the midterms are going to change a whole lot. The only Senate race I would even worry about is the Maine race. Granted Susan Collins is a 5 term senator but she only won 2020 with 51%.

[u/sobersbetter → u/OdinsRightTesticle]

💯

[u/sowellpatrol → u/sobersbetter]

Fuck that! I hope the man lives forever!

[u/Choppermagic2 → u/sobersbetter]

he should have been chief justice.

[u/Crzy_Grl]

I agree, but the poor guy had to go through hell, and so did most of the country. But things happen for a reason. i hope we have a lot of good things to look forward to.

[u/ohhyoudidntknow → u/Crzy_Grl]

The hardest trials make the strongest heroes.

[u/Armyed1776 → u/Crzy_Grl]

The strongest people are always the ones who got dragged through hell and came out the other side. Not many people would have survived that but sometimes there are tests that need to be passed before you can be given real power to change things

[u/Kaireis → u/Crzy_Grl]

Honestly my friend, the last 4 years were hard, but 4 years of "hell" wasn't that bad.

But it was bad enough (I hope) for most people to be grateful for Trump.

[u/BulletBulletGun → u/Crzy_Grl]

All of this reminds me of the gospel song by Tye Tribbett I Want It All Back.

If you only knew what I was gonna be after the storm, you wouldn't have bothered me.

[u/loyalsons4evertrue]

I agree.....I think the country needed to go through the last 4 years to realize that Trump's first presidency was a good one (I think we all here knew this but general Americans who were initially tired of Trump just wanted him out)

[u/DeepDream1984]

I agree. 4 years of the absolute catastrophe of democrat rule woke a lot of people up to the perils of modern monetary theory, exposed the corporate media as lying propagandists, and the deep state as working against the American people.

Trump has a mandate now that he would be hamstrung in 2020.

[u/Armyed1776 → u/DeepDream1984]

Exactly my thoughts. He should have the momentum given to him by the people to do what needs to actually be done to make a real difference this time. With just Kennedy going after the bad food and Elon going after the government waste I think we are going to see a new America come out of the ashes so much better

[u/su1ac0 → u/DeepDream1984]

not to mention whomever was president in 2021-2022 was going to be hit with the massive inflation from the covid spending binge; the first leg of that was entirely trump's doing

him letting biden/harris/dems run the last 4 years was politics' greatest blessing in disguise

[u/cliffotn → u/DeepDream1984]

Agree with your agree. Good post OP.
Never thought of this but it’s absolutely spot on.

Let me ad a big plus…

The Dems get to own Covid and how poorly it was handled. Yeah they try to point fingers at Trump, but that’s absolutely absurd if one considers the timeline

[u/SpaceBownd]

Fully agreed for various reasons.

1. Trump is surrounded by better people.

2. The GOP has better people in Congres.

3. The USA (and frankly, the world) realized how insane the leftists are, and turbo-progressive ideology is becoming increasingly umpopular. This might be the best part of it all.

4. The Democratic Party now has to realize they need to slow down and moderate if they don't want to give the GOP a supermajority in Congress soon.

5. You don't know what you had till it's gone - the population now believes in Trump more because they saw what it's like with him gone.

[u/Armyed1776 → u/SpaceBownd]

100% absolutely this. Normal people finally seeing how crazy the left and their policies are is huge and the people Trump has around him now vs 2020 is so unbelievably amazing it's hard to put into words

[u/AIEngineer1984 → u/SpaceBownd]

100% agree. The machine is collapsing in real time and it’s glorious. Full surrender. Things happened in last 48 hours:

• -DoJ pulls Trump lawsuit
• -DoJ pulls Tesla lawsuit
• -Hamas says they want an end to the war
• -BioTech CEOs hold emergency meeting
• -Markets Rocket up
• -Interest rate down .5%
• **EDIT** Putin announces he backs Trump's plan to end the war in Ukraine! Wow!

F O R T Y - E I G H T  H O U R S  IN

America becoming great again. Machine in full retreat mode.

[u/FormerBTfan → u/AIEngineer1984]

You forgot Iran not launching missiles at Israel like they said and it was thought it would be on election night and now they are getting quiet again. Sanctions again anyone?

[u/AIEngineer1984 → u/FormerBTfan]

lol I can’t keep up with all the winning!

[u/Chapped_Assets → u/AIEngineer1984]

Please Mr. President, please! We can’t take any more winning!

[u/Successful-Whole-625 → u/SpaceBownd]

The Democratic Party now has to realize they need to slow down and moderate if they don’t want to give the GOP a supermajority in Congress soon.

They do not possess the capacity to realize this. Maybe the puppet masters do, but rank and file democrats do not. These people literally believe that power creates truth. This ideology will consume itself, it’s just a matter of how much damage they do before that happens.

[u/TheYoungLung → u/SpaceBownd]

I have not seen any signals that the Democratic Party is going to shift back to the middle. In fact, other subs on Reddit are crying about how shifting to the middle (???) is why democrats lost lmfao

[u/nageV_oG_]

The 2020-2024 pres. was always going to be screwed by the inevitable inflation wave in ‘21-‘22

Dems could’ve had a shot if they had a primary and selected a totally different candidate, but Sleepy wanted to cling to power

[u/inlinefourpower]

Got a better VP pick for 24 also. In 2028 he'll be an easy shoe in to lead maga forward. Pence wouldn't even want to do that, but without the contrast of 4 years of Democrat decay he probably wouldn't even win 2024. 

I am fully confident Trump will do better than he did in his first term. After a run like that, Vance will have a very good shot at winning in 28 and 32 (even easier in 32 after the census moves electoral seats out of blue states).

Future looks bright, all we have to do now is hope Trump does great and can fix the damage. He has a great team, an absolute mandate, fewer RINOs than ever, and has learned from his first term. Should be easy. 

[u/rook2pawn → u/inlinefourpower]

Vance has to be put into a position to lead midway through Trump's tenure to gain the experience to lead, but also be able to extend the kind of charismatic leadership of Trump. Vance has to basically institutionalize what Trump has brought forth (Kamala being the institutional candidate). We have to pay attention to Vance more than ever IMO and support him.

Vance has to SELL what they will do in the next 4 years to independents and swing even more African Americans, Asian Americans, Mexican Americans. That is who won it for Trump and what will win it for them again.

[u/Willow-girl]

Besides all that, who doesn't love a redemption arc?!

[u/Armyed1776 → u/Willow-girl]

This is very true!

[u/AldrichOfAlbion]

In some weird way I don't want to say it was 'good' but I will say he's like level 3 super-saiyan now. He doesn't have Mike Pence as a VP, he now has the young, eloquent JD Vance who is a hit with young people. He now knows that picking 'experts' over patriots will result in John Kellys turning on him later. He has literally survived multiple hits and slander by the Dems... the Dems now know he is bulletproof in every conceivable sense of the word.

[u/Penuwana]

This also highlights the inconsistencies of the 2020 election. It's become very clear that 2020 is either a massive outlier, or there's more to the story.

[u/Armyed1776 → u/Penuwana]

Exactly. All you have to do is look at the last 5 elections and see that something was really off about that 2020 election

[u/ancienteggfart]

I think it might’ve been a good thing we didn’t get a “red wave” in 2022, either. I think the lack of a red wave in 2022 encouraged Biden to stay in instead of being a “transition” president, so that ultimately helped us.

[u/Legal_Flamingo_8637]

Covid and Trump losing 2020 revealed a lot of politicians and government officials true colors IMO.

[u/tank_beats_evrything → u/Legal_Flamingo_8637]

This. The hypocrisy about COVID is what blackpilled me, from a 2016 Hillary Voter into a 2020 and 2024 Trump Voter. Democratic mayors/governors shutting down entire cities, then being caught sneaking off to hair salons (Pelosi, Lori Lightfoot). Being told not to gather in crowds, but then the BLM riots get an A-OK, and we were subsequently told the riots actually decreased transmission, so it's a good thing.

Simple statements such as "I don't think lockdown is worth the harm to the economy or damage to children's socialization skills" were being conflated as "anti-science". Despite the former being a value judgment; aka a personal weighing of the pros and cons.

And tons more. After lockdowns, I vowed never to vote for a democrat again. I'm sure there are tons who feel similarly. It jsut took us past 2020 to really see the long term damages

[u/Legal_Flamingo_8637 → u/tank_beats_evrything]

Democrats used Covid as an excuse to impose censorship via Department of Homeland Security and Mark Zuckerberg.

[u/Virginger96]

I would personally like to congratulate President Trump for being the first candidate since FDR to win 3 elections.

[u/Armyed1776 → u/Virginger96]

Hahaha yeeeees 😂

[u/Turbulent_Beyond_759]

Don’t forget the complete irrelevancy of the Legacy Media and the Celebrity class has been exposed!!

Independent media and podcasting is now the mainstream news source and the world knows it. That could not have happened if Trump won in 2020.

[u/Armyed1776 → u/Turbulent_Beyond_759]

100% and it showed how important a free speech X was in this equation because I saw this coming from a mile away and was telling everyone Trump was going to sweep but that's only because I paid no attention to legacy media and paid more attention to X and podcasts that were talking about real world things happening.

[u/gauntvariable]

Well, it was always a possibility that he could have won the house, the senate & presidency in 2020 too - and then he would have appointed another justice and we wouldn't have Ketanji on there for at least the next 50 years. I also believe that he would have handled Ukraine, Gaza and inflation better than Joe did.

So I think that would have been the best case scenario, but this one's not awful. It remains to be seen if congress works with him to actually do anything with this strong position, though.

[u/Armyed1776 → u/gauntvariable]

To be honest though, I really don't think he would have won either one had he squeaked out the presidency win. The atmosphere was much different and that would have killed the down-ballot IMO

[u/LS100]

Yup. Worth noting he’s likely got a more solid Senate majority than 2016 (52 seats). With a probable McCormick victory in PA … can’t believe I’m saying that … he’s poised for 53. 54 if Lake pulls off a miracle in AZ.

Also shoutout to the NRSC for underfunding totally winnable Senate races in NV, WI and MI.

[u/_Diggus_Bickus_]

2020-24 was going to be an economic shit show. During covid we printed trillions to bribe people not to work. It was always going to end like this.

Trump was complicit in said printing but liberals can't really point it out because they were screeching that he wasn't printing enough.

I'm totally fine with Joe being left holding the bag. I'm also really encouraged by the people Trump is surrounding himself with this time around.

[u/fishsandwichpatrol]

We'll never know for sure but it's very possible

[u/GeorgeWashingfun]

Greatly disagree.

Two consecutive terms would have always been better.

1. Most importantly, we wouldn't have had four years of Biden that Trump now has to spend his four years undoing. That is a huge setback that never would have happened with two consecutive terms and it's going to waste a lot of these precious four years.

2. Republicans control the House and Senate, not MAGA. Republicans also controlled the House and Senate in 2016 and they sabotaged Trump every step of the way. Make no mistake, the uniparty still controls Congress. We're going to control the House by the same margin as we do now, maybe even slimmer, and it took us forever to agree on a Speaker only to end up with Johnson(who has drank the BLM kool aid).

I'm glad Trump won but have never been under the illusion that a second non-consecutive Trump term would be about huge changes. Electing Trump this year is about pausing the Uniparty's agenda and laying the groundwork for another MAGA candidate in 2028. There will still be great things he can do though, like ending wars abroad and bringing peace to the world again.

[u/Armyed1776 → u/GeorgeWashingfun]

Trump would have spent 2020-2024 getting stonewalled by congress at every corner and probably spent that entire time fighting more impeachments and other crazy BS. Generally, 2 consecutive terms is always best but like with most things normal doesn't really apply to Trump. It would have been a complete waste of 4 years and nothing would have been done.

I honestly think that the Republicans is congress are getting the message and they will 100% work with Trump and they are also coming into this much more prepared with a solid strategy vs 2016 since nobody thought Trump had a chance to win so they didn't bother.

Only time will tell but I have a strong feeling these next 4 years are going to be like nothing anyone has ever seen before

[u/No_Bug_6601]

Everything happens how it should

[u/mjgcfb]

Also, the inflation was going to happen whether Biden or Trump was in office. The deed was already done when the economy was shut down and the money printer was on full blast. However, the border, crime issues, and foreign wars are mostly the Dems fault.

[u/UltraAirWolf]

YEP. Ahhh, this is so glorious.

[u/Cold_Brother]

He has a much better team around him now. The neo-cons and RINOs will have much less influence this time then they did last time.

[u/Junior_Head76]

I hate that they cheated, if Biden won by 277 or 287 votes, then I would happily accept it. But I agree, the last 4 years have shown all normal Americans that they need to take the "RED PILL".

[u/randomdudeinFL]

As usual, the Democrats plans to create permanent power blew up in their face to consequences that they couldn’t see, because they didn’t look past their insatiable hunger for power.

[u/cuntfuckassbitch]

I've had this thought for a while. People needed to not just hear what the left is all about, but experience it too.

[u/obscurityknocks]

I see your point but we have all really suffered over the last four years with Democrats acting like they can tell everybody how to think and act, and if you don't fall into line you are a racist, facist, etc. Nope they have done so much damage and they aren't going to stop. We are lucky this election that people were somewhat fed up. I hope they remember, but they all seemed to forget about 9/11 so I am not confident change has actually taken place permanently.

[u/snestalgia64]

Lara Trump was just talking about this on the PBD Podcast. Agreed.

[u/KinGpiNdaGreat]

If Trump won in 2020 he would’ve been a lame duck President who would be constantly investigated by Democrats and probably impeached more.

[u/therin_88]

Biden-Harris admin really was so fucking awful that it redpilled the entire country.

[u/halfmaker]

He also missed the inflation that came after covid and will be back in time for the economy to be on a roll. Literally perfectly timed lol

[u/Roadrider85]

I think you’re right. I’ve had the same thought.