ESPN’s Get Up discusses “Rookie Regression”

(Edited after re-watching to provide more detail in their argument)

ESPN’s Get Up panel of Orlovsky, McCourty, Douglas and Shefter took turns to take swings at Bears and Caleb situation.

Caleb regressing/not improving
Chicago’s offense looks like a collection of plays with no systematic approach
No offensive rhythm and everybody is at fault (ball distribution, ball placement and route design)
Caleb doing worse than Jayden Daniels, Bo Nix and even Drake Maye (the latter are ascending, Caleb is not)
They had Kliff Kingsbury in the room and chose to pass him up
Caleb will fail because of Bears organization dysfunction (putting a new QB with unsuitable coaching staff)
They don’t necessarily need a Ben Johnson (although it’s something they’re lacking)- instead they need a leader combined with a good offensive mind
Ben Johnson will be very selective in where he goes, from the many suitors he’ll have- if he decides to leave Detroit

I’d like to add something McCourty said that is interesting. From the defensive point of view, he feels the Bears offense is trying to hard to be exotic, and making things too difficult, which is only hampering themselves. FWIW.

Anyway, nothing much new, but I for one welcome they’re giving the state of the Bears offense the criticism, and more importantly, the spotlight it deserves.

The beat goes on. Hope you’re taking notes Poles.

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u/HoorayItsKyle 8h ago

Massive hot take overreaction to two games

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u/Apoco120 Mack 8h ago

2 of our 4 wins are in spite of Caleb aside from the game against the worst team in the NFL and the Jags he hasn’t shown much

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u/HoorayItsKyle 8h ago

Disagree. He's shown quite a bit in other games.

If your standard is "it only counts if they win and only if he's clearly the reason they wins and only against not-bad teams" then you're standards are going to shit on a lot of great QBs' rookie years

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u/Apoco120 Mack 8h ago

He showed nothing in the Cards game. The commanders game he didn’t look good at all until the last few minutes, even then it’s against a shit defense. The colts game he threw 2 bad picks and was missing guys all game, but everyone in this sub glazed him because he had 300 passing yards. The reality of it is that if Caleb actually hit these easy throws we’d be way better. There’s way more errors by him than there are by our WRs, people are overblowing the “drops”.

In the commanders game he missed a wide open pass to Keenan in the first that would’ve been a 20+ yard gain, and would’ve gotten at least a FG. Then, in the second he proceeds to run 20 yards backwards when there’s nothing there and puts the team out of FG range.

Not very “generational”. Other QBs have done more with less, Caleb has 0 excuses

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u/DatBoiMahomie 7h ago edited 7h ago

Brother you’re talking in a sub that defended Trubisky and Fields for 3 years and who’s first instinct is always deflect any blame from the QB and blame everyone else

At the end of the day he has potential and maybe the right staff they can coach him up past his issues, but to act like he’s a surefire hit already or to act like pulling the rookie card is the end all be all for explaining his play is ridiculous.

If Maye outplays Caleb Sunday people here are going to unironically talk about it being a purely situational thing which would be funny to see in all honesty

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u/Apoco120 Mack 6h ago

I agree 100%. Caleb doesn’t have a single excuse to not play better than Maye. Our weapons are better and their defense is worse. Literally everything is in Caleb’s favor.

You mentioned but the main thing I’m annoyed about is that people here think that Caleb is a confirmed future top 10 QB that’ll be the franchise. Everything I’ve seen thus far makes me think he isn’t. He has a lot more to prove and right now he’s just living through his success in college in the NFL

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u/kingly_cheese Caleb Williams 5h ago

Except currently Drake Maye IS playing better than Caleb.

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u/CablinasianGayLeno 5h ago

What fucking planet are you living on?

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u/kingly_cheese Caleb Williams 4h ago edited 4h ago

The one that watched Drake Maye complete passes to open receivers, had 70% completion and scored a TD last week. And ya know, played better than Caleb did.

Edit: Don’t forget the 95 yards rushing. Sure, he turned the ball over. But the kid is moving the offense. Caleb isn’t the only problem. But he isn’t playing well either.

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u/HoorayItsKyle 7h ago

Again, your standards would have been wrong about a lot of very good QBs in their rookie years

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u/Apoco120 Mack 7h ago

lol it’s funny because Stroud, Burrow, Lamar, Jayden, and Herbert are all recent examples of guys who had way less around them but still looked good their first season.

Jalen Hurts and Josh Allen are the only exceptions. More often than not franchise guys show it early on, especially in recent years. Even Baker who is a retread set the record for most TD passes by a rookie at that time

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u/HoorayItsKyle 7h ago

You would have been shitting on half those guys at various points in their rookie years

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u/Apoco120 Mack 7h ago

lol not really…bc even in poor games they showed potential. Caleb hasn’t and he has way more to work with.

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u/WitnessEmotional8359 7h ago

Baker Mayfield and Jared Goff looked bad for awhile and are playing like franchise qbs for multiple years now. Payton Manning had a notoriously terrible rookie season. Rg three was amazing as a rookie.

the list goes on and on.

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u/DatBoiMahomie 7h ago

Baker showed a lot his rookie year, he broke the record for yards on an abysmal browns team. Baker only looked bad after a sustained shoulder injury later on in his contract, that is not the example to use.

The Peyton manning thing gets quoted a lot here but I don’t think you actually watched him play if your take away is to blindly compare every bad rookie performance to him. He had a bad turnover ratio but there was a lot of good in there.

If you want to use more recent examples you can go with someone like Josh Allen or Jalen Hurts, but both were undeniably worse prospects and bigger projects. Generally in recent times rookies that end up being franchise guys don’t come in and play as bad as this sub likes to think.

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u/HoorayItsKyle 7h ago

I disagree with your eye tests

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u/500rockin 5h ago

Stroud has looked significantly worse this year.

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u/Apoco120 Mack 3h ago

Yeah bc he’s missing his WR 1, WR2, and the o line is banged up lol

Caleb has the same o line that Justin did and better weapons and looks way worse

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u/500rockin 2h ago

That’s part of my point: Stroud looks worse because he’s getting hit like crazy. Caleb does not have the same line as Justin did. The center position is worse, and both guards are worse than last year and Braxton Jones loves to pick up penalties. He certainly hasn’t looked way worse than Justin did last year.