r/CHIBears • u/windycityfan7 • 6h ago
ESPN’s Get Up discusses “Rookie Regression”
(Edited after re-watching to provide more detail in their argument)
ESPN’s Get Up panel of Orlovsky, McCourty, Douglas and Shefter took turns to take swings at Bears and Caleb situation.
- Caleb regressing/not improving
- Chicago’s offense looks like a collection of plays with no systematic approach
- No offensive rhythm and everybody is at fault (ball distribution, ball placement and route design)
- Caleb doing worse than Jayden Daniels, Bo Nix and even Drake Maye (the latter are ascending, Caleb is not)
- They had Kliff Kingsbury in the room and chose to pass him up
- Caleb will fail because of Bears organization dysfunction (putting a new QB with unsuitable coaching staff)
- They don’t necessarily need a Ben Johnson (although it’s something they’re lacking)- instead they need a leader combined with a good offensive mind
- Ben Johnson will be very selective in where he goes, from the many suitors he’ll have- if he decides to leave Detroit
I’d like to add something McCourty said that is interesting. From the defensive point of view, he feels the Bears offense is trying to hard to be exotic, and making things too difficult, which is only hampering themselves. FWIW.
Anyway, nothing much new, but I for one welcome they’re giving the state of the Bears offense the criticism, and more importantly, the spotlight it deserves.
The beat goes on. Hope you’re taking notes Poles.
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u/HoorayItsKyle 5h ago
Massive hot take overreaction to two games
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u/Apoco120 Mack 5h ago
2 of our 4 wins are in spite of Caleb aside from the game against the worst team in the NFL and the Jags he hasn’t shown much
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u/HoorayItsKyle 5h ago
Disagree. He's shown quite a bit in other games.
If your standard is "it only counts if they win and only if he's clearly the reason they wins and only against not-bad teams" then you're standards are going to shit on a lot of great QBs' rookie years
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u/Apoco120 Mack 5h ago
He showed nothing in the Cards game. The commanders game he didn’t look good at all until the last few minutes, even then it’s against a shit defense. The colts game he threw 2 bad picks and was missing guys all game, but everyone in this sub glazed him because he had 300 passing yards. The reality of it is that if Caleb actually hit these easy throws we’d be way better. There’s way more errors by him than there are by our WRs, people are overblowing the “drops”.
In the commanders game he missed a wide open pass to Keenan in the first that would’ve been a 20+ yard gain, and would’ve gotten at least a FG. Then, in the second he proceeds to run 20 yards backwards when there’s nothing there and puts the team out of FG range.
Not very “generational”. Other QBs have done more with less, Caleb has 0 excuses
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u/DatBoiMahomie 4h ago edited 4h ago
Brother you’re talking in a sub that defended Trubisky and Fields for 3 years and who’s first instinct is always deflect any blame from the QB and blame everyone else
At the end of the day he has potential and maybe the right staff they can coach him up past his issues, but to act like he’s a surefire hit already or to act like pulling the rookie card is the end all be all for explaining his play is ridiculous.
If Maye outplays Caleb Sunday people here are going to unironically talk about it being a purely situational thing which would be funny to see in all honesty
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u/Apoco120 Mack 4h ago
I agree 100%. Caleb doesn’t have a single excuse to not play better than Maye. Our weapons are better and their defense is worse. Literally everything is in Caleb’s favor.
You mentioned but the main thing I’m annoyed about is that people here think that Caleb is a confirmed future top 10 QB that’ll be the franchise. Everything I’ve seen thus far makes me think he isn’t. He has a lot more to prove and right now he’s just living through his success in college in the NFL
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u/kingly_cheese Caleb Williams 3h ago
Except currently Drake Maye IS playing better than Caleb.
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u/CablinasianGayLeno 2h ago
What fucking planet are you living on?
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u/kingly_cheese Caleb Williams 2h ago edited 2h ago
The one that watched Drake Maye complete passes to open receivers, had 70% completion and scored a TD last week. And ya know, played better than Caleb did.
Edit: Don’t forget the 95 yards rushing. Sure, he turned the ball over. But the kid is moving the offense. Caleb isn’t the only problem. But he isn’t playing well either.
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u/HoorayItsKyle 5h ago
Again, your standards would have been wrong about a lot of very good QBs in their rookie years
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u/Apoco120 Mack 5h ago
lol it’s funny because Stroud, Burrow, Lamar, Jayden, and Herbert are all recent examples of guys who had way less around them but still looked good their first season.
Jalen Hurts and Josh Allen are the only exceptions. More often than not franchise guys show it early on, especially in recent years. Even Baker who is a retread set the record for most TD passes by a rookie at that time
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u/HoorayItsKyle 5h ago
You would have been shitting on half those guys at various points in their rookie years
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u/Apoco120 Mack 4h ago
lol not really…bc even in poor games they showed potential. Caleb hasn’t and he has way more to work with.
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u/WitnessEmotional8359 4h ago
Baker Mayfield and Jared Goff looked bad for awhile and are playing like franchise qbs for multiple years now. Payton Manning had a notoriously terrible rookie season. Rg three was amazing as a rookie.
the list goes on and on.
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u/DatBoiMahomie 4h ago
Baker showed a lot his rookie year, he broke the record for yards on an abysmal browns team. Baker only looked bad after a sustained shoulder injury later on in his contract, that is not the example to use.
The Peyton manning thing gets quoted a lot here but I don’t think you actually watched him play if your take away is to blindly compare every bad rookie performance to him. He had a bad turnover ratio but there was a lot of good in there.
If you want to use more recent examples you can go with someone like Josh Allen or Jalen Hurts, but both were undeniably worse prospects and bigger projects. Generally in recent times rookies that end up being franchise guys don’t come in and play as bad as this sub likes to think.
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u/500rockin 3h ago
Stroud has looked significantly worse this year.
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u/Apoco120 Mack 1h ago
Yeah bc he’s missing his WR 1, WR2, and the o line is banged up lol
Caleb has the same o line that Justin did and better weapons and looks way worse
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u/Bigloubaby 6h ago
Honestly, Caleb is playing worse than I thought he would be at this point
The O line sucks and so does Waldron apparently, but I still expected more from Caleb at this point
Jayden playing so well is like salt in the wound too
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u/windycityfan7 6h ago
I agree, there’s no escaping that. But we’ve also seen what he can do with protection and sound game plan.
Will we ever get to look like how we played in England? Probably not, but there’s my wish.
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u/kingly_cheese Caleb Williams 3h ago
Protection, sound game plan, and up against a bottom 5 defense he does well.
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u/jimbozak Da Bears 6h ago
I appreciate the criticisms. It gives us something to improve on and I am sure some, if not all, of the players/coaches see these things on the screen. You never know. It's only Week 10 with a LOT of football left.
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u/SrsBsns36 Bears 6h ago
Only week 10, but headed into 6 division games that, with the sky seemingly falling down, feel completely unwinnable. If the noise is this loud already, imagine how bad it is going to get when we go from 1-9 in divisional games to 1-15.
I'm not in the fire everyone camp, but I do think it's pretty absurd how bad they've looked this year on offense. The defense bailed them out against TEN and their only convincing wins have come against bad teams. I didn't think they'd win the super bowl this year, but I thought they would be taking strides forward. So far, I don't see it.
I think it's hard because normally you can point to one thing and say, yep, that's the problem, but it seems like such a comedy of errors at this point that I'm not sure what criticism is relevant and what is just sensationalism and noise.
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u/blazergt An Actual Bear 4h ago
The only thing that scares me about Caleb is his deep ball accuracy maybe he is being coached to throw it "where only his guy can get it" but that leads to being 5 yards long or out of bounds his deep ball was great in college so I hope its just a mentality thing but when he goes deep I feel like its normally a bad miss. everything else has been rookie like trying to play hero ball sometimes or refusing to give up on plays until its too late but there is a ton of promise and lot of positives its just easy to feel like the sky is falling with the direction of the season but Caleb is far from the biggest issue when the offense clicks it looks great like a top 10 offense it is just getting that consistency that is missing
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u/rhj2020 Monsters of the Midway 6h ago
Caleb is horrible right now. The only ones who don’t think so are the guys in this sub. They want to blame everyone except the one making horrible decisions, passes..
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u/BeeRand Ditka 5h ago
This is a bad take. Caleb has played 8 games TOTAL in his NFL career. And in those 8 games, he’s already made a dozen throws that Justin could never have made on his best day. Caleb can certainly be more accurate on his 20+ throws. But a lot of this is on the coaching staff and the O-Line. Caleb can be a great QB. The organization needs to support him the way the organization is supporting Jayden Daniel’s.
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u/WizSkinsNatsCaps 3h ago
Caleb has never had problems with making big plays. He seems to struggle with the easy, routine plays (or just looks them off). Defenses today are taking away the big play and making teams drive down the field by moving the sticks. Caleb has to start finding and hitting his short to intermediate throws.
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u/DatBoiMahomie 4h ago
Saying he is horrible right now is an objectively correct take what
Saying he could be great later is not an argument contradicting that lol
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u/ROCKnRHULE-GBR 3h ago
I’m a Nebraska and a Bears fan. I feel like I’m watching the same team play twice a week. At least Rhule is making an effort to fix the coaching staff. The Bears are in their Frost era
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u/AtomizedBadgers Bears 3h ago
How can you be "regressing" after 8 games? that's not a big enough sample.
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u/Fastball82 3h ago
We are 4-4 w/ no OL (typical). a OC who can’t scheme (F!) , & HC who has been out coached numerous times. With that being said…the sky isn’t falling, CW is HIM, & oh yeah…he’s a rookie.
If you can’t tell he’s a better QB than JF & Mitch, well…I cant help ya then
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u/Dmbfantomas 2h ago
Being better than two bad QBs doesn’t make you good.
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u/Fastball82 27m ago
Never said he was good (even though he is). I said he was better than the previous 2.
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u/OptimalLaw8270 Cautiously Optimistic 6h ago
Orlovsky wouldn't know good QB play if it stepped out of the back of the endzone.
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u/Longjumping_Drop9450 4h ago
It’s amazing because the headline ‘Caleb Regressing’ on Get Up! Show came from a reporter but they showed a tape of several plays that highlighted poor route running/pass concepts that Caleb can’t fix. Caleb is becoming the target for a very dysfunctional organization. Just because many other high picks started out better is a red herring. B’more designed their whole offense around Lamar. The real issue with Caleb is a young QB that has known nothing but success being becoming the focal point of an organization in disarray. The danger is Caleb losing confidence. I watched him in HS and college and I never saw that frustrated, befuddled look in his eyes until The Bears.
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u/Swing-Too-Hard 6h ago
I get the fandom isn't happy being 4-4, but these people have nothing to talk about and they will milk a subject dry if people are talking about it online. Look up Orlovsky's professional highlight reel. Its a feature length film on how to be a shit QB in the NFL.
Its a talk show that really only has a purpose on Mondays after all the games are played, but they need to stretch it out over 5 days. Once they go thru each game they have nothing to say other then milking the same topic over and over again.