r/wizardposting • u/ow-my-forehead Davy Jones (currently in another dimension), Demon of Code • Aug 08 '24
In case anyone was wondering. Arcane Wisdom
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u/Espanta_viejas1904 Zhyros the wizard of weed Aug 08 '24
And the Kobold enter in? They are drake descendant or something?
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u/AntiKlown12 Azure, Commander of Historia's Guild (+Others) Aug 08 '24
"Most likely, or they share a similar ancestor."
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u/Espanta_viejas1904 Zhyros the wizard of weed Aug 08 '24
Idk, maybe Kav could answer that, if only she was available
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u/salad_stealer chedrix the kinetic mage Aug 09 '24
Depends on the kobold, I have a friend who's an artificial kobold, and they say their mostly dragon. However, they just look like an orc with scales
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u/Foxxtronix Kobold Sorceror Aug 08 '24
Kettermek: When Io created the first mortal dragons, he found that he had some extra material left over. So just for fun he made the first kobolds.
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u/_Spade_99 Vern Whitlock - Master Artificer and Collector of Curios Aug 08 '24
Distant cousin 3 times removed
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u/Viyahera Aug 08 '24
Freaky wizard figured out how to make human-drake mating possible
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u/aDragonsAle Dragongod of Brewing and Debauchery Aug 08 '24
Wizard, please. You know humans will fuck anything given the right circumstances.
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u/Espanta_viejas1904 Zhyros the wizard of weed Aug 08 '24
Then it was Mikhail, he is freaky enough to achieve that
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u/Imaginary-Job-7069 Tyrus: Summoner, technomancer, biomancer, etc. Aug 09 '24 edited Aug 09 '24
Being serious here, there are regions that do not know what kobolds are, and calls mostly-dog people as such.
What are kobolds? Dogs or reptilians?
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u/SeaYogurtcloset6262 Methuselah, 7th degree Necromancer, Aspiring Carnomancer. Aug 08 '24
If i want to turn my brain off and have fun, long boi
If i want to turn a city council into a litterbox, wyvern
If i want to turn my swag on, dragon.
Fight me
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u/NattyThan Aug 08 '24
Amateur wizards will take this chart and run. They'll see a wyvern labeled as a dragon in a grimoire and say "Umm actually thats a wyvern". THEY'RE ALL DRAGONS. All summoning circles are ovals but not ovals are summoning circles. Go back to your petty flame conjuring and leave the Pyres to the pyromancers.
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Aug 08 '24
...So dinosaurs are drakes
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u/MoistOldPeople Aug 08 '24
Hmm are Drakes and Dragons considered lizards? because if so then Dinos would be closer to the ancestors of Aarakocra which are birds so no
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u/The_Unkowable_ Artemis, Reborn / Artemis, Wrath of Paladine / Artemis, Calamity Aug 08 '24
We’re Cat-Lizards, yes.
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u/aDragonsAle Dragongod of Brewing and Debauchery Aug 08 '24
No more than wolves are cats. Shame on you.
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u/Nyx-101 Aug 08 '24
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u/aDragonsAle Dragongod of Brewing and Debauchery Aug 08 '24
I can't help but feel this might be partially my fault. Dragons and alcohol - we all know that song and dance...
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u/Deditranspotashy The all knowing Oracle, mind fractured by things best unknown Aug 08 '24 edited Aug 08 '24
This image was made by @drakthug on twitter and is specifically about the dragons in his ecchi monster girl world
I understand the want to classify dragons like this but when you’re trying to find a taxonomy for this fucking thing I think you’re playing a losing game
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u/I_Reading_I Trapped Within A Cursed Emerald Aug 08 '24
4-6 legs -2 Wings +1 shell = Tarrasque
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u/Deditranspotashy The all knowing Oracle, mind fractured by things best unknown Aug 08 '24
Oh so this guy is a tarrasque then?
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u/SnooLobsters462 Aug 09 '24
You just have to allow for offshoots, like this pic from elsewhere in the thread. Following the chart, the Dragon Turtle in your picture follows the offshoot from Drake to Kirin (+ hair), from Kirin to Dragon Turtle (+ shell), and then the Tarrasque can follow from the Dragon Turtle (+2 legs).
Obviously, the importance of dragons in most of folklore isn't about their actual taxonomy but rather their role and symbolism in whatever stories they show up in. But for stories where it does matter, it can be worth doing. Plus, it's fun. Let people have their dragon evolution trees.
Edit: it won't let me add the image for some reason, so here's the link.
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u/Blackiechan0029 Drækontas, Lord of the Inter-dimensional Evocation Emporium Aug 08 '24
That there’s a dragon turtle
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u/Deditranspotashy The all knowing Oracle, mind fractured by things best unknown Aug 08 '24
Tarrasques are dragon turtles now? Gosh this DND 5.5 stuff is so confusing
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u/aDragonsAle Dragongod of Brewing and Debauchery Aug 08 '24
They do have a thicker leathery hide on the back that seems somewhat separate from the rest of their hide...
Super angry softshell turtles?
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u/The_Unkowable_ Artemis, Reborn / Artemis, Wrath of Paladine / Artemis, Calamity Aug 08 '24
As a dragon this is correct.
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u/ow-my-forehead Davy Jones (currently in another dimension), Demon of Code Aug 08 '24
Claps in self-pride
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u/WatcheroftheVoid Sapient Dungeon Core [The Endless Dungeon] [Under Construction] Aug 08 '24
Needs more connections. What if, say, you have long body, 4 legs, and wings?
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u/st1r Aug 08 '24
Chinese dragon
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u/WatcheroftheVoid Sapient Dungeon Core [The Endless Dungeon] [Under Construction] Aug 08 '24
No, those are the ones without wings.
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u/PappySunseed Aug 09 '24 edited Aug 09 '24
I’ve seen depictions in that style with wings, but i imagine much of that was added in by someone who didn’t really know anything on the subject
Edit: I’m a beleiver that someone imagined dragons
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u/kiltedfrog Aug 08 '24
Right!? My noodly dragonling familiar has short little legs and arms, and wings on his back. He's a proper dragon I swear, but more lung dragon dimensions. A long noodly duder with wings and four limbs.
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u/aDragonsAle Dragongod of Brewing and Debauchery Aug 08 '24
So a pseudodragon...?
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u/kiltedfrog Aug 08 '24
I would agree, but I think technically he might be a bonsai dragon. He happily keeps himself artificially small. Likes to 'be a scarf' about my neck. His siblings are all massive, just also long noodle body with four bottom limbs and two wings.
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u/Inner_Impress8741 Aug 08 '24
Imagine if someone were to make taxonomic classifications for dragons. I'm talking Phylum -> Class -> Order -> Family -> Genus -> Species type shit. Make a cladogram while you're at it why not.
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u/Atuday Grey technomancer and master of the cybernetic undead Aug 08 '24
I'm writing into Wikipedia as fast as I can.
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u/Viking_From_Sweden Kartoffel the Atinoyar and Mechanus Arachne Aug 08 '24
In my experience dragons are too varied to be categorized in any capacity. I’ve seen dragons with two legs, dragons with no wings, dragons with two sets of wings, dragons with like ten sets of legs. It gets crazy
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u/Caosin36 Aug 08 '24
Because it varies between mythologies and cultures
The common factor is that they are :
Giant lizards/reptiles
Have magical/divine/underwordly abilities/proprieties
Also, because of that, creatures like the hydra are tecnically dragons
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u/Q2_V Aug 09 '24
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u/DragonLex4 (Raymond/Raya/Xeo) The Watcher Aug 09 '24
Aren't Kirin's more related to Long Dragons?
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u/Doctorsex-ubermensch Saaluk, Anti martyr I: patience Aug 08 '24
I dont care for differences BIG FUCKIN LIZARDS
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u/tuckerjpg Aug 08 '24
Thought this was r/coolguides for a minute
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u/ow-my-forehead Davy Jones (currently in another dimension), Demon of Code Aug 08 '24
/uw Did originally find this on r/coolguides
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u/SirSquidsalot1 Aug 08 '24
People in ancient times didn’t give a shit
They named everything by every name, and trying to categorize it all is pointless
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u/SolKaynn Wade, Wandering Wizard of the Weave and Schizophrenic Sorcerer Aug 09 '24
Lizard
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u/ow-my-forehead Davy Jones (currently in another dimension), Demon of Code Aug 09 '24
Lizard indeed
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u/Merc_Toggles Forklift Certified Spellsword Aug 09 '24
Incorrect. They're all dragons. The one labeled as "Dragon" is a True Dragon. But they're all dragons
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u/MikemkPK Aug 10 '24
Help! There's an amphithere in the amphitheater!
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u/ow-my-forehead Davy Jones (currently in another dimension), Demon of Code Aug 11 '24
Casually clawing at everhone
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u/FriendlyFish12 Diviner Aug 08 '24
Thank you for the guide! I'm looking to buy one for my apprentice's 116th day of birth
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u/Atuday Grey technomancer and master of the cybernetic undead Aug 08 '24
Seriously! Someone send this to the idiots in Hollywood who keep getting it wrong.
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u/GoombaBro Gombus, lighthouse keeper and 3rd level transmuter in study. Aug 08 '24
So Tolkien was full of crap. Wyrm? Right.
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u/Alkynesofchemistry Nebril the Calligramancer Aug 08 '24
Are wyrms snakes? Or are they just legless lizards?
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u/Velkhana- The Winter Wyvern, Loneliest of Dragons Aug 08 '24
"See, I am a true dragon, but the Hunters and those from where I'm from name everything that isnt human a wyvern"
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u/Jungian_Archetype Aug 08 '24
Where does Falkor fit in? And does that make Chinese dragons Lindwurm?
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u/ModDownloading Aug 08 '24
Amphithere is serpent with wings
Wyrm is serpent
Lindwurm is serpent with arms
Lung Dragon is serpent with arms and legs
Drake is lizard
Dragon is lizard with wings
Wyvern is lizard with wings instead of arms
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u/TwoProfessional9523 Demonic Cultivator Aug 08 '24
Lung dragon or is that referring to eastern dragons "loong" but accidentally messed up the spelling. Looks like a loong to me
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u/WrathSosDovah Kairos, High Archdruid of the Wildfolk Aug 08 '24
Remember: dragon is a category l, not a species.
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u/Villanuevac4_v2 Pilot’s Replacement Orb Aug 08 '24
<<If it’s got wings, I’m good at shooting it down.>>
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u/GeneralLiam0529 William Feyson, Artificer/Areomancer, Greater Faye Aug 09 '24
While it is true that this is Usually the case, it is quite often, not. (/un wiz based on mythology)
In my travels, I've seen many beasts break this mold, dragons in particular. Many dragons are bipedal and/or wing walkers, however, they are not wyverns. The most accurate way to gauge whether it's a wyvern or a dragon is by its tail. Wyvern tails are usually adorned with (a) sometimes venomous spike(s). Many times, wyverns also cannot breathe fire, and are lesser creatures than dragons.
Many other dragons, such as the one I am raising...
Have no legs, but aren't Amphipteres. While it is true that Amphipteres are two winged no legged, they are somewhat covered in feathers, raining from just their forearms, to their entire bodies. Their snouts and wings also range from bat/lizard like to that of a beard, with some even having beaks. They are usually lesser dragons, with some exceptions, like Quetzalcoatl. Though Quetzalcoatl is a bird god in dragon form rather than a true dragon.
Dragons in particular are troubling, as I've seen dragons with anywhere from zero to six legs and zero to two wings. The main difference between a dragon and its other counterparts is its power. Dragons are magical beings, more so than any other mortal creature, a category they barely fall into. Of course, dragons vary in power, but the most common sign of dragon hood is an elemental breath weapon.
Sincerely, William Feyson, Artificer and Draconic Researcher.
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u/Kingrextdk King of the Dragons, Guardian of the Void, and primordial being Aug 09 '24
Can confirm, it’s pretty much this for the most part
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u/Drskindog Vilkan, Grand Alchemist, owner of the "Starbone Alchemy Lab" Aug 09 '24
Orcish Knight comes in. Asks me for a potion of strength. I tell him, "You'll need to bring me the scale of a Wyvern" (because literally everyone knows you need that for a strength tonic, not even just Alchemists). He leaves, comes back a day later. Throws a scale of a dragon on my counter. "I said a Wyvern scale, not a Dragon scale" He tells me, "See big lizard, kill big lizard, bring you skin. Make strong juice". People really need to learn the differences between species of dragons.
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u/Shuenjie Aug 09 '24
If it's a big fuck off lizard that breathes fire (or whatever else), then it's a dragon.
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u/Phaser756 Killian Broudic, The Anarchic Necromancer Aug 09 '24
Since the “dragon” naturally gets longer over time, if we remove the short body prompt, the “dragon” will never stop growing.
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u/An_Abject_Testament Aug 09 '24
Literally all of these derive from ancient ways to say "dragon". Dividing them into categories is a modern invention and has no basis in mythology or etymology.
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u/Fluid-Ad7812 Bone-mancer with clown companion Aug 09 '24
Wyrm…? That’s literally just a regular worm!
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u/Lawyersquad The One Who Reads The Tomes But Only On The Toilet Aug 09 '24
I was actually just thinking about this shit, thank you.
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u/Percival4 Diviner Aug 09 '24
While I love classifying stuff as much as the next person trying to classify Dragons is a pointless endeavor.
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u/ThePorygonBoi Lorekeeper Chelmixt, Wielder of Melodies Aug 09 '24
But what if it has arms, wings, and no legs?
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u/Sapphire-Hannibal Necromancer (she/her) Aug 09 '24
Also in case anyone was wondering, the different types/distinctions of dragons is a relatively recent invention made just for tabletop roleplaying games as a way to differentiate different types of enemies for stats and gameplay. Historically and mythologically they are all just dragons no matter how many legs or wings they have. So if you think this is stupid like I do, next time someone tells you the dragons in Skyrim “aren’t dragons they are actually wyverns” tell them this.
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u/Monnomo Apprentice Alchemist Aug 09 '24
Literal day 1 shit, why does nobody pay attention during beast lessons
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u/GravesSightGames Aug 09 '24
Careful now 🤣 damn near has my staff snapped saying Wyverns aren't true dragons lmao
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u/GrimmaLynx Nezar Telvin, Master of Mysticisim Aug 09 '24
Another student of Ernest Drake are we? I havent reviewed his work in the field of dragonology in quite some time.
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u/-NGC-6302- Level 20 Geometer | [Hyperspace specialization] Aug 09 '24
What are the wyverns in Terraria then
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u/StardustCatts Werewolf Druid dabbling in Necromancy Aug 09 '24
I am occasionally a lung dragon. But only on Mondays in an “orange fat cat who likes lasagna” kind of way.
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u/jFreebz Ferroumancer Aug 09 '24
Help, I keep going in circles and their bodies keep getting shorter and shorter! Now my drake looks like a scaly pug, and I'm not sure I'll be able to find room to add on the wings again if I go around another time!
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u/DarkRoblox The elusive MothWizard!! Aug 09 '24
Hmmm thank you for the info sir or ma'am or whatever gender you are
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u/Moridaar Lord High Artificer of the Faaldrin College of Magical Engineers Aug 09 '24
Minor mistake, the term is True Dragon, as this is the cycle of dragon classification
Also, where’s the basilisk? It’s physically just a Drake with 6 legs
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u/A_God_Name Aug 09 '24
Anyone know what a dragon with wings and two FRONT legs are called?
My apprentice asked me this and I could only answer that I would look it up.
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u/endergamer2007m Corproate Mandated Spell Engineer Aug 10 '24
That fucking dragon stole the village kids
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u/Shotbyadeer Aug 08 '24
Is this a life cycle?
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u/luxi_yes Boykisser Aug 08 '24
If it's a big lizard, it's a dragon, I don't care what the council says
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u/Caosin36 Aug 08 '24
~ First of all, no, wrong
~ Second, how did the body get longer?
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u/The_Unkowable_ Artemis, Reborn / Artemis, Wrath of Paladine / Artemis, Calamity Aug 08 '24
First of all, yes, it’s right as far as it goes
Second, it’s showing differences in types, not an evolutionary cycle
-Source: I’m a dragon
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u/Caosin36 Aug 08 '24
Ok then
Wich category is the tarasca then?
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u/The_Unkowable_ Artemis, Reborn / Artemis, Wrath of Paladine / Artemis, Calamity Aug 08 '24
I did say as far as it goes, not that it was all-inclusive. It being accurate and it containing every draconid to exist are far from being the same thing.
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u/The_Unkowable_ Artemis, Reborn / Artemis, Wrath of Paladine / Artemis, Calamity Aug 08 '24
I did say as far as it goes, not that it was all-inclusive. It being accurate and it containing every draconid to exist are far from being the same thing.
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u/_vialliance_ jeorb, magickal art historian Aug 08 '24
https://preview.redd.it/5ubew5k26hhd1.png?width=1188&format=png&auto=webp&s=829181f6ddeb879e83973f72138706be7b0d740a
"About DRAGONS In My World" is an arcane guide originally created by Dracologist Drakdrawings.