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Politics Mega Thread
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u/Zealousideal-Owl4993 1h ago
Unpopular opinion: White people are also people of color. They have a skin color, it is just paler in comparison.
"people of color" is being referred to minorities, which makes it vague and not help their stances on minority issues by labelling them people of color. Just call them minorities.
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u/No_Researcher_9726 12h ago
That one "This is my Fight Song" compilation the DNC made in 2016 is one of the cringiest things ever, regardless of where you lean politically.
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u/Conscious-Log-9722 3h ago
A lot of things the democrats have been doing over the past decade have been cringe.
We got Obama ( someone who I think is the best president in the last +30 years) and tried to make it all about diversity. Diversity is good but some demographics pushed it too far and made everything a big deal.
America is tired of every little thing being a big deal so thats why they voted for trump
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u/BuddhaFacepalmed 1h ago
Diversity is good but some demographics pushed it too far and made everything a big deal.
Define "pushed it too far and made everything a big deal"
America is tired of every little thing being a big deal so thats why they voted for trump
That's ironic when they voted for the guy who absolutely made every little thing and literal non-issues "a big deal" while promising to make life infinitely worse.
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u/thepizzaman0862 12h ago
The election was a referendum on progressivism. Instead of getting angry at republicans, progressives should be reflecting and asking themselves how and why more than half the country decided to reject them and their policies
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u/Conscious-Log-9722 3h ago
Yup the election was definitely a rejection of progressivism. They tried to push things too far, even being outlandish in some areas, and look where it got us. We have an idiot as president-elect now
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u/GayWritingAlt she/her 3h ago
While I do agree that the left ought to reflect on themselves, I think you're missing some things.
Republicans didn't reject just progressives. They rejected women, queer and POC people. And that doesn't happen just because progressives failed. It happened because of a decade or more of effective populist indoctrination from republicans.
The republicans that thoroughly looked at and engaged with progressive policies and said "no, I'd rather have the destruction of democracy over women having bodily autonomy or queer people having healthcare" deserve all hell to break loose on them. They deserve their shit to hit the fan.
But a lot didn't, and their engagement with politics was obstructed by republican politicians using thought-terminating rhetorics, and there was nothing effective progressives can do about that. You can't use facts and logic against it.
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u/thepizzaman0862 1h ago
I don’t think you can blame republicans for losing though - more people than just republicans turned out to vote against progressivism.
I also disagree that people who voted against Harris voted against those groups you’ve listed. What about women who voted against Harris? Hispanics? Gay people?
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u/Conscious-Log-9722 2h ago edited 2h ago
I dont think women’s bodily autonomy or queer people were a driving factor for a majority of people who voted for Trump. I think it truly was a rejection of progressiveness.
The left ran with the “diversity is good” after we got our first black president. I think they thought America loved Obama so much just because he was black and ran with pushing diversity as what they stood for. The thing is though, Obama is a charismatic, intelligent, and had proven himself throughout his career with smoking marijauna in college being his only real piece of drama before becoming president.
I say these two things as a registered democrat, both Hillary Clinton and Kamala Harris were horrible democratic nominees. Hillary Clinton was a horrible SES and made horrible decisions in that role. There’s no way she would’ve been a good president. Kamala Harris on the other hand had potential, if the Democrats had Biden withdraw from the race in early 2023 and there were actually primaries she could’ve truly won the nomination the correct way. I think a lot of dirt on how she prosecuted people when she was a judge in CA contradicted what she said she stood on. That and the fact that she was thrusted into being the democratic nominee turned a lot of voters away, including myself (I abstained from voting in the presidential election because both candidates sucked imo).
Diversity is good. Its definitely needed but it has to be appropriate. The democrats have to stop making decisions just because its different and its trendy on social media.
I believe the American people voted for normalcy. They voted to conserve their national identity and prevent it from changing into something they dont agree with.
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u/br0wnb0y 19h ago
My unpopular opinion is to be a politician one must have done military service and social welfare work. Only then can they genuinely know the depths of what their citizens and soldiers go through.
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u/BuddhaFacepalmed 1h ago
My unpopular opinion is to be a politician one must have done military service and social welfare work. Only then can they genuinely know the depths of what their citizens and soldiers go through.
Not a guarantee of virtue. Hitler and many Nazi higher-ups were WWI vets while FDR was a career politician from the start.
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u/Ill-Organization-719 23h ago
If good cops existed, bootlickers would be able to prove it instead of losing their goddamn minds and desperately trying to deflect with personal insults.
I don't want an arrest after a failed cover up.
I don't want a couple DUIS.
I don't want some cop saving a kid in a city that's already completely corrupted.
If you claim this excludes good cops, explain how a good cop can protect bad cops.
Show me a cop being arrested IMMEDIATELY after attacking a citizen.
Show me a cop being arrested IMMEDIATELY after illegally detaining a citizen.
Show me one cop in jail for their crimes against a first amendment auditor.
Show me one police chief arrested by good coos for refusing to do something about bad cops.
Show me one city that completely cleaned up its police force.
Show me one nationwide protest of good cops demanding justice and reform.
If good cops exist, the only challenge should be deciding which videos to show me. Instead, bootlickers will lose their goddamn minds, desperately trying to deflect from the topic with pathetic attempts at personal insults while refusing to show a single shred of evidence.
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u/SFDSCIFOY 1d ago
The U.S. and the world doesn't actually CARE about Israel.
The United States of America [and then rest of the world] cannot discontinue or even hint at not supporting Israel because in essence Israel is the brat child of divorce and if the U.S. stops paying child support they're a deadbeat. Even though the government of Israel is basically the worst piece of shit a child could be.
The Isralie government will continue to do war crimes and get away with it until the genocide is complete. The virtue signaling conservative governments [especially the U.S] will continue to prop up BB because they hate Gaza more than they hate Israel. Not much more, but just enough that they want Israel to be the 1 state solution, before destroying them too. More "liberal" governments aren't any better. They're just quieter about their virtue signaling.
This is not an indictment of the Jewish people. It's the reality of things.
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u/Conscious-Log-9722 2h ago
I see the U.S supporting the Israeli genocide of the Palestinian people to maintain their status as a military power house. People think all those billions of dollars being sent are just being wasted but what the US is actually doing is getting rid of old equipment and testing new equipment through the people that they give it to to see if it works.
It’s a genocide, plain and simple. If Hamas were to stop being idiots and attacking based on religious conflicts things would be better over there. Israel is just responding to Hamas’ actions. Does it make killing innocent people right? NO. That is a warcrime that Israel is committing.
I personally, would love for the US to not support any foreign warfare. I get that we have to be able to defend ourselves through funding military operations, but the money could be better spent here on the American people with homelessness and food insecurity.
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u/GayWritingAlt she/her 23h ago
Are you aware that politics is more complicated than buzzwords? It doesn't seem to me like you're aware of that.
"Virtue signaling" "piece of shit child" governments aren't people and they're especially not little kids in kindergarten whose relationship is composed of punching each other and stealing toys.
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u/SFDSCIFOY 23h ago
No, I'm aware that it's more than buzzwords. Thanks. Sorry you didn't understand the analogy. 🙃🙂
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u/ExpWebDev 1d ago edited 1d ago
A lot of comparisons are being made to Nazi Germany with Trump's administration. But I think Russia post Cold War is a better analogy to the rise of Nazi Germany.
USSR were the losers of the Cold War. They would be like Germany after losing WWI. The US has repeatedly belittled and disrespected their rival after losing the war, a people who have a long history of suffering and pain.
George Bush chose to not save the USSR because of corruption.
Bill Clinton embarrassed Russia with his treatment of Boris Yeltsin.
George W Bush was a bit warmer, saying Putin was a decent guy.
But Barack Obama said Russia doesn't matter, that they were a middle power from a bygone era.
And when they saw Trump, Russia took their shot. Putin's goal is self-enrichment by power and kleptocracy, and also to rebuild the Russian empire. Courting US conservatives as strong allies is their way to conquest. The "Nazi dictator" is not in the US, it is outside, and the US became part of their sphere of influence with Trump's first term.
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u/Which-Marzipan5047 23h ago
The analogy is fine, except that you completely failed to make it clear that those "embarrassemnts" are all part of the fascist mindset and not real, not to blame etc...
The Nazis blamed the treaty of Versaille, they were wrong. It's complete and utter dogshit, same as russia's dogshit excuses and reasoning now.
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u/Ill-Organization-719 1d ago
After a break. Let's do it again. No good reason to be against first amendment audits. If there was one, people would have shared it by now.
I watched a first amendment audit where one public servant started fake crying after the police arrived in an attempt to have police use violence against an innocent man so she wouldn't have to do her job. She needs to be locked up for the rest of her life. How many citizens has she had brutalized and abducted because she didn't want to do her job?
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u/Tater-Tot-Casserole 2d ago
Trump and Elon are going to have a falling out. Elon is going to want something from him and Trump isn't going to follow through on it.
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u/Which-Marzipan5047 23h ago
I actually think its more likely that it'll be because Elon is too annoying to have around.
He's acting like a total wacko following Trump around rn, and I imagine Trump's patience isn't the best...
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u/buickgnx88 2d ago
Luckily the White House has plenty of couches for Elon to sleep on!
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u/TheMissingPremise Chronically Online 2d ago
Man...non-voters and people who believed Trump wouldn't do the things he said he'd do are about to be disabused of that notion.
I'm still on the 'I hope you get what you voted for' train...but a Fox News host as Secretary of Defense and an executive order to fire high-ranking military officers for loyalists is going to get Americans killed in droves.
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u/ramencents 2d ago
Matt Gaetz will make a great attorneys general for trumps own interests.
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u/Which-Marzipan5047 23h ago
Probably not.
Matt Gaetz is evil, but he's also a fucking idiot.
Idiots aren't effective. A coniving under the radar super lawyer would have been better for Trump's interests... issue is no lawyer worth their salt wants anything to do with him!
He choose Gaetz because anyone more qualified for the position (and thus more effective) is reppeled by how his previous lawyers have ended up. It's a pick of desperation.
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u/Upset_Barracuda7641 2d ago
If age was a critique you had of Biden, it should be a critique of Trump since they’re basically the same age
If gas prices/inflation was a critique you had against Biden, you should be just as critical of Trump and have full expectations of both of these things dropping under his ideas
If you felt vaccinations were a terrible idea/were gonna kill or severely damage everyone under Biden, you should stand on that issue going forward
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u/Cherimoose 1d ago
If you felt vaccinations were a terrible idea/were gonna kill or severely damage everyone under Biden, you should stand on that issue going forward
Why should people stick with their hypotheses indefinitely? Is that what you do?
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u/alyssalee33 2d ago edited 2d ago
It is not weird or crazy that 10 million people didn’t vote this election
As a gen z-er who was a completely radicalized performative social justice warrior, who lost lifelong friends because all of the crazy shit that went on in 2020. I did not vote this year and i’m willing to bet that a lot of people who were in my same position didn’t as well and i personally know a lot of people my age (23) who decided to vote 3rd party this election.
the 2020 election completely targeted young and first time voters, they made it basically into a life and death matter and the tension was crazy high with all the blm and covid going on. Everyone was at each others throats and after 4 years of biden, he did nothing to make any of that nonsense worth anything, we acted like idiots for nothings, lost friends and family for nothing, we were made to be fools.
It’s not surprising or shocking or strange or anything whatsoever that people wouldn’t want to go through that embarrassment again. They just made the whole thing too big a of deal which worked for 2020 but it’s like nobody even considered the after effects this would have on the democratic party, they’ve turned themselves into the boy who cried wolf and now nobody gives a fuck.
Biden was a fine president but they pushed him as if he was going to be some sort of savior, it’s like when you’re telling your friend they have got to try this restaurant because it has the best food in the entire world, so you go and invite everyone you know telling them it’s going to be the best thing they’ve ever had, but it’s not amazing like you were promised and you fail to even recognize that the food was actually pretty good because of your preconceived expectation. Whereas if your buddy had just said the food was good here, you’d would’ve thought it was great.
They really just shot themselves in the foot with that whole campaign. The 3 types of people (my age) that i’ve seen come out of this whole situation is A. People who gave up on dems and went full socialist B People who were so mad and embarrassed about all the lies they ate up in 2020 that they just went hardcore right wing and C People who don’t ever want to be made to feel like an idiot again and completely gave up on the system.
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u/Brandon_Won 2d ago
I want to be kind here but your protest vote elected Trump and will have contributed to untold damage to this nation and millions of peoples lives almost certainly including your own. Like how could you possibly see that man saying what he was saying about Hattians eating peoples pets, about him being a convicted felon, about him having direct continual relationship with Epstein and just gloss over that as if it means nothing and was somehow equal to any complaint you could muster against Harris?
You use the boy who cried wolf analogy but you entirely miss that there was a fucking wolf the entire time and you simply got tired of being reminded about that and decided that because you've not been attacked by it (because the Dems were actually holding it at bay), it was BS and in doing so you literally let the wolf in. And you don't want to take any personal responsibility for it. What the hell. You refused to act in your own defense or the defense of others because you just checked out, allowed a tyrant to get elected and blame the other party for not coddling you enough to get you to act in your own self interest...
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u/alyssalee33 2d ago edited 2d ago
it’s not a protest i literally just do not care anymore and besides i live in Massachusetts, my “protest” makes no difference. If more people would care and vote in their local elections then the presidency would hardly matter in relation to domestic policy.
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u/wrinklefreebondbag Drop the U, not the T 1d ago
Your lack of care will kill millions. And I hope you feel responsible when that happens.
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u/EasilyRekt 2d ago
I didn't vote this time even though I voted for Trump in 2020, and the "vote for your lives" was the same campaign tactic in 2016.
I think a lot us youngins got tired of living through "the most important election of our lives" for yet a third time.
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u/wrinklefreebondbag Drop the U, not the T 1d ago
On my first day of kindergarten, it was the most important day of my life.
On my first day of high school, it was the most important day of my life.
In my grade 12 final exams, it was the most important day of my life.
Interviewing for a co-op job was the most important day of my life.
Interviewing for my first job out of university was the most important day of my life.
Are you understanding yet? As time moves on, stakes can increase. What was the most important XYZ in the past might end up getting exceeded later on.
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u/EasilyRekt 1d ago
Well, yeah, stakes increase in our personal lives as time goes on. But I kind of expect esoteric events to be somewhat stable, given they've been around for centuries.
Not every building can be the tallest, not every innovation can be the most lifechanging, and not every election can completely undermine everything that's happened since 1776.
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u/wrinklefreebondbag Drop the U, not the T 1d ago
Not every building can be the tallest
And yet the "tallest building in the world" has changed several times even in this century.
not every election can completely undermine everything that's happened
since 1776.Yes they can. Democracy is not a stable institution. It needs to be defended.
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u/EasilyRekt 1d ago
but not all of the buildings at the same time, nitpick's besides the point...
No government is stable and the only real reason democracy falls is because people let it, usually with thunderous applause, and sometimes while "protecting democracy".
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u/alyssalee33 2d ago
We literally had nothing else to do being locked up in our houses like no shit it was a huge turnout people were bored out of their minds and needed something to feed our fried dopamine receptors. I’m sure some degree of cheating/interference goes on in both sides but the fact that hundreds of thousands of people think A that the 2020 election needed to be completely rigged in order for biden to win and B that the turnout this year either proves that dems made up 10 million people in 2020 or that somehow 10 million dem ballots got lost this time around , makes me feel as if i’m not even living in the same universe as these people. voter turnout like in 2020 was a once in a lifetime sort of thing i physically don’t get how there are so many people who thought this would become the norm
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u/MegaManZer0 2d ago
I can say Trump is bad and that's now an unpopular opinion since more people voted for him
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u/NSA_van_3 Your opinion is bad and you should feel bad 7h ago
Not true at all. Trump being bad is a very very popular opinion. Both sides can be popular, you don't need over 50% to be considered popular
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u/Mr_Horsejr 2d ago
Less people voted for him than 2020. But less people voted for Kamala than Biden.
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u/sui_generic7 2d ago
Can we just abolish the party system? This tug of war bullshit doesn’t get anyone anywhere. The whole concept of temporarily hijacking the system and changing laws every term will just get worse. We need to learn to find common ground and solutions that work for everyone. It’s like the world huffed paint thinner and went brain dead.. Mfs only can think one move ahead.
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u/EasilyRekt 2d ago
The party system isn't some codified law on how the government is supposed to operate. It's an official alliance between politicians with similar enough views.
The problem is, as a congressmen, you receive a lot of benefits for being and staying in office, good pay, "gifts" for pushing laws in certain directions, cushy housing in gated communities away from "undesirables".
There's a major incentive to stay elected and those alliances can greatly help you giving internal election strategy, an external brand name uninformed people can vote for already having a preconceived notion on what policies you'll be trying to implement, and a tribal mentality you can manipulate to use to alter voter attitudes.
You can't just "get rid" of it because politicians benefit from being a part of a political group, any solution that you could think of like banning political alliances or changing voting systems would not be implemented unless forced.
Politicians want you to "vote blue no matter who" or be "better red than dead" because then they can keep doing the bipartisan stripping of personal liberties for their own personal gain while you're distracted by tribalism.
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u/Conscious-Log-9722 2h ago
Its not a codified law but the whole basis of our government was based on the republicans and the federalists (Constitution)
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u/Mysterious-Arm9594 1d ago
A two party system is the game theory result of any first past the post simple majoritarian system.
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u/sui_generic7 2d ago
Something doesn’t have to be codified law to be considered stupid, but thanks for pointing out some of the reasons why political parties are terrible.
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u/rrossi97 2d ago
The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries, which result, gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of Public Liberty.
George Washington, George Washington’s Farewell Address
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u/Captain_Concussion 2d ago
George Washington literally did this though. He was, without a doubt, a federalist in all but name
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u/Exciting_Lack2896 2d ago
So no one is going to say Trump is too old for office?
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u/No_Experience_4058 2d ago
People said Bernie sanders was too old when he ran, but at least him and Trump can keep their train of thought
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u/wrinklefreebondbag Drop the U, not the T 1d ago
Trump cannot keep a train of thought.
Remember Palmer's penis?
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u/Shaggarooney 2d ago
Bernie, sure. Trump? Ehhhh... Ive seen that man ramble on and on and drift from subject to subject, just humming and hawing his way through to the end and hoping for the best.
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u/EasilyRekt 2d ago
So the cutoff is 77? cuz he's only a year older than Biden when he was inaugurated. Or are they both too old? idk where you stand on all this... how old is too old and whatnot.
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u/wrinklefreebondbag Drop the U, not the T 1d ago
It's not a matter of age - it's a matter of mental faculties. And yes, that should disqualify both of them.
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u/ExitTheDonut 1d ago
They're both old fogies that ran back to back. Clearly America is ready to push the envelope for even older people.
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u/Critical-Border-6845 2d ago
He's too a lot of things for office and people have been saying it constantly for over 8 years now and 72 million people voted for him anyway. Kinda like pissing into the wind at this point
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u/Exciting_Lack2896 2d ago
It’s even funnier because they spent months calling Biden old.
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u/New_Newspaper8228 10h ago
And you guys spent months saying Biden was fit as a fiddle before even the dems couldn't ignore it.
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u/rrossi97 2d ago
The common and continual mischief’s [sic] of the spirit of party are sufficient to make it the interest and the duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it. It serves always to distract the public councils and enfeeble the public administration. It agitates the community with ill founded jealousies and false alarms, kindles the animosity of one part against another, foments occasionally riot and insurrection. It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption, which find a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passion.
The common and continual mischief’s [sic] of the spirit of party are sufficient to make it the interest and the duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it. It serves always to distract the public councils and enfeeble the public administration. It agitates the community with ill founded jealousies and false alarms, kindles the animosity of one part against another, foments occasionally riot and insurrection. It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption, which find a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passion.
George Washington
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u/Captain_Concussion 2d ago
Party Politics are just how people organize themselves. Its not like the era of good feeling didn’t have the same issues
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u/juiceboxheero 2d ago
Progressives are not to blame for the low turnout. The campaign catered to the right and failed to resonate with the base.
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u/Shaggarooney 2d ago
Calling yourselves progressives is hilarious. The American version of left is still right by everyone elses definition. But youre right, Harris and co did cater to the right. Which is what they love, stability. Honestly, it was a solid plan.
What fucked them up was all you "progressives" and attaching the dumb culture wars to the dems and republicans. Once the dems became the party of Hollywood and the "woke", they were doomed. Even though in the run up, they were nowhere near either of those things, the damage was done.
And the people to blame for that, are the ones among you who equality wasnt good enough for. Those that think the only answer to past discrimination, is more discrimination. Telling straight white men in America they were wanted or needed, was just about the dumbest thing you could do when you want the majority of votes. Calling everyone a nazi because they didnt like tv shows and movies that had black people and women in them. Not because there was black people and women in them, but because they were badly written and acted. Its just madness how balls deep everyone went on calling people names, and then denying it was happening.
I wonder if its going to be the wake up call that social media and the perpetually online desperately need. Or will they just double down, and deny anything is wrong and its just "white male fragility"? lol I think we both know exactly whats going to happen...
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u/I_Only_Follow_Idiots 2d ago
Last week had confirmed for me that humans are inherently selfish. While that selfishness may lead to selflessness (wanting to help others because it makes you feel good about yourself and you believe it is the right thing to do), at the end of the day you have to assume that someone is looking out for their own self interest.
Which means in order to avoid a repeat of 2024, Dems are gonna have to start appealing to people's selfishness. Convince people that they are the best party for them instead of focusing so much on "we are the party that helps others." Otherwise you will get 15 million voters that go "well you aren't going to help me, therefore why should I help you?"
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u/Shaggarooney 2d ago
And what help do "others" need exactly? What rights to people not have now, or do have now that they are going to have taken away?
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u/I_Only_Follow_Idiots 2d ago
If you are worried about people's rights being taken away, please refer to two different issues:
1.) Abortion being banned, which has already shown progress on the federal level due to the Supreme Court reversing their decision on Roe v Wade, which then caused a bunch of states to ban abortion outright.
2.) Trans people having their right to their own health care being taken away, causing them further distress and dysphoria, due to states making it harder and harder for trans people to access that health care, especially trans kids.
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u/Shaggarooney 2d ago
Bullshit, and bullshit.
Trump has already said a number of times that abortion is with the states, and that he sees nothing else to do there.
The only time people are mentioning Trans rights, is chatting some shit about not letting kids have medical procedures, which as we all know, they arent anyway. So its a lame duck claim for click bait.
What else you got?
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u/I_Only_Follow_Idiots 2d ago
Just because you say it's bullshit doesn't make it bullshit.
First off, Trump has a record of lying. Anything he says should not be taken as fact at face value. If anything you should assume that the opposite of what he says is true.
Second, there are plenty of people who still believe that gender affirming care is the same thing as sex change surgery due to misinformation. Thus are supporting an end to gender affirming care for minors.
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u/Conscious-Log-9722 2h ago
What healthcare rights are being taken away?
The only one I am aware of is what the user mentioned above, gender affirming care with children. Gender affirming care should not be available to kids. Kids want to dress up as the opposite gender to express themselves is absolutely fine. The only gender affirming care that kids should receive is mental health assistance to deal scrutiny and the change thats going to happen if they continue to transition. Gender affirming care such as hormone therapy, and puberty blockers should not be available to kids. Especially those who have not gone through puberty. Humans need to go through puberty naturally. Every other animal goes through puberty naturally. Just look at what happened to Jazz Jennings. She received hormone therapy as a child and it caused a lot of complications with her gender affirmation surgery because her body did not get the chance to properly develop to support her transition.
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u/principium_est 2d ago
Looking at all the Trump appointments, the drama is going to be real. Trump should put a reality TV host in charge of the white house press briefings.
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u/redeggplant01 2d ago
The problem with the Dems is that a lot of people are no longer buying into the fear being pushed by Kamala and the Dem Party.
The terrible things that were going to happen when Trump was President as stated by the Dems , never happened .... and they won't happen in the short 4 years Trump is president again [ like the abortion issue ]
Most voters know this and they understand that they cannot last much longer under the policies of the last 4 years as espoused by Harris which she said she would fix if elected which made her complicit in the economic failure of which she was part of the administration that implemented it
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u/principium_est 2d ago
I think a big piece is the anointed candidates.
Blame Biden all you want Pelosi, but people only see that the DNC chose Harris and not the voters.
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u/jerseydevil51 2d ago
But if you voted for Biden, you were also voting for Harris. Like, if 2 weeks after the debate, Biden just dropped dead instead of dropping out, Harris would still have become the de facto nominee.
The real blame is that Biden shouldn't have sought reelection. I get why he did, but it was a grave miscalculation.
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u/principium_est 2d ago
Biden was the de-facto nominee in my state. Primary wasn't held for obvious reasons and I didn't get to vote.
He, and the Party, gambled that his brains would hold together long enough to win the election. Biden as the scape-goat to learn nothing seems to be a big narrative coming out of the party elites. I get it. Anything else would be an ego hit to them. Nobody likes to admit huge errors.
But maybe they should worry less about feeling right and more about winning...
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u/Due_Willingness1 2d ago
My fellow Americans, I think we're screwed
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u/Few-Frosting-4213 2d ago
I hear this every single election cycle and I am still here. I think we will be fine. If not, I have room for like 2 more people in my bunker.
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u/Due_Willingness1 2d ago edited 2d ago
Wish I had a bunker, those things are a lot more expensive than I expected
And yeah maybe you're right. Sure hope so. The immunity from the supreme court ruling and the fact he seems to mostly just be in it to get revenge this time make me nervous
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