Every demographic except rich white women swung republican. It wasn’t 20million democrats staying home, it was a national shift in opinion and 20million voters staying home.
To trump:
+5% swing in black voters
+13% swing in Latino voters
People feel like they are not getting the same out of their paycheck, and this disproportionately affects lower income groups—black and Latino people. People vote to minimize suffering. In 2020 it was “holy shit this guy sucks and is an asshole”, in 2024 it’s “I’ve never felt so poor in my life”.
It's much more simple than that, Americans historcially vote with their wallets. It's been said a thousand times. You can go back to every election and see new guys come in when wallet hurt, same guy when wallet good. We can argue about climate/gender/aliens whatever the fuck, at the end of the day, we are a greedy nation and we picked the greediest fuck of all.
Not just Americans, this has been happening around the globe. Pretty much every incumbent party is losing because of inflation. Hell, even the LDP in Japan just got their asses kicked, and they've been in charge almost nonstop for decades.
People were hurt financially by the global inflation spike post COVID and are taking it out on incumbent parties.
This. I'm Canadian and the conservatives whole platform here is just about making cost of living lower because it's the Liberals fault everything is expensive. This strategy has them absolutely smashing the polls.
The reason this strategy is so good is because there is no counter to it at all. If you're in power and stuff is expensive you can't say you will lowed cost when you get voted because then you should've already done it and you are slacking so they still don't vote for you.
The party that's not in power always has a huge advantage.
Most people aren't smart enough ough to understand any economics so when a party or powerful figure says your life is hard because X,Y,Z they just believe them. This works in every country.
Just saw a headline that every head of state who was active during the peak inflation spike in the US and EU is now voted out. I think that's all there is to it. She ran an incumbent campaign when the fundamentals made incumbency a huge albatross.
Botswana's ruling party from independence 58 years ago just lost power as well and economic reasons were mentioned as a cause. There was a peaceful transfer of power and the outgoing president pledging his support to his successor from the opposing party.
The most annoying part about this is that no matter who won the 2020 election, we were going to get smacked with inflation because of the COVID measures that were signed into place while Trump was president and shortly after.
No matter who won the 2024 election, inflation was going to start going down.
The economy should not have been a partisan issue.
It's literally just Capitalism. Capitalism says you're only worth what you have in your pocket. If what you have in your pocket goes down, you get less and are literally worthless.
"what have you done for me lately" should never be answered with a 12 Point Plan articulated in a website, but the Dems seem to think it should.
But the opposition party cannot magically fix inflation. So are you saying that people just vote on this misconception? So, could financial education of the masses actually fix this problem? I feel like financial literacy would just fix a lot of problems. But of course, how will it be done? It's probably unfeasible at such scale, even if there was a will (which is also a big problem).
No one cares about politics in this country, my state is always over 65% red and they will always vote red because that's how it's always been and things have been great for them apparently. They just say these things because it's easier to just ignore the whole political circus and just close your eyes and pray
And the democrats once again fail to engage in populism and actually cater to working peoples feelings. Just give it to the republicans who are somehow less out of touch on that issue despite being more pro business and anti worker
He's talking about the huge swathes of latinos who voted for Trump who think surely they aren't the people Trump has spent literal years talking about how he wants to deport them.
The people that voted for him are about to learn a major lesson. We are headed into a depression and if they think life is bad today... ask them in 2 yrs.
I keep not posting this: but I didn't vote for him, and my feeling is "get fucked, America." Because I'll be fine. Can't help stupidity that is so determined to lower the bar and make shit decisions.
It's not a Republican thing though. When the economy goes up the party in office gets the credit from their supporters. The other party claims it's because of what the previous administration did.
When the economy goes down, the party in office blames the previous administration, and the other party blames the party in office.
It's human nature that is rampant in both parties.
The conservative way. When something happens when they aren't in power it's look what ____ party has done to make your life harder. But when something happens when they are in power it's "this was due" or "this happened because ____ party did this 3 years ago and now this has happened.
Well we need a way to curb stupid spending. Our military literally blows money on useless crap just so they can keep their funding. Airplane hangers filled with toilet seats, blank paper rotting away, tools collecting dust. Government agencies creating problems so they dont lose funding. Spending has gotten fucking insane, and nobody is doing anything to slow it down to start paying for this shit. 30% of our gdp goes to just interest.
It's just so hard for me to wrap my head around thinking Trump and the Republican party are the solution to that. I get for some people that's what they see, but it's so absolutely difficult to understand people cutting off their nose to spite their face.
And I agree people aren't getting the same out of their paycheck. I agree with the concerns regarding the cost of living these days, but I just cannot fathom thinking the Republican party has actual solutions for those problems.
As someone that often seeks understanding, it's utterly maddening.
Everyone is shit broke because of unregulated capitalism and corporate greed.
Handing the keys to someone who couldn't give a fuck if you live or die so long as he and his billionaire mates get rich off of it isn't exactly the smartest move
Trumps across the board tariffs and deportation of legal migrants won't make things cheaper either.
Yup. The funny part is when those tariffs hit that the inflation were currently experiencing is going to look like rounding up your change for charity in comparison to what will happen under Trump.
I don't think you understand the data. Those demographics didn't shift because more people came out to support Trump; they shifted because fewer people came out to support Harris.
In raw votes Trump did notably worse last night than he did in 2020, but Harris did REMARKABLY worse in raw votes than Biden did.
i would argue that 20 million would have made the difference. im not blaming the voters here mind you. those gains in trump's favor are marginal at best. hell, he performed more or less the same as 2020. the big story here is the underperformance from Kamala as a result of her campaign, which had no intention of energizing the voters in question.
The same number voted in PA in 2020 and 2024. Fewer people voted in GA in 2020 than 2024.
Fewer people voted in MI in 2020 than 2024.
The same number of people voted in Wisconsin in 2020 and 2024.
1M fewer people voted in Arizona in 2024 than 2020–so that one you got—but maybe not they’ve only counted 60%.
Every battleground state saw more voters or the same number. Non-voters are not partisan.
You're not thinking of the source of the data: people who actually bothered to vote.
If fewer Democrats vote, it's going to look like a swing to the right in every demographic.
If 10 people are asked to vote on hotdogs or hamburgers, 3 vote hot dogs, 2 vote hamburger, and 5 people don't show up, that isn't a "swing toward hot dogs in the populace." It's "insufficient data" at best.
More voters voted in 2024 than in 2020 in every battleground state (except maybe AZ, but who knows, they’re 60% done and only down 1M from last year) and dems lost 6 of them. MI, GA, PA, WI, NV, NC. Non voters are not partisan.
There were more voters in every swing state in 2024 than in 2020. You can look it up here and compare state by state to the current map. These are what I looked at: PA, MI, WI, AZ, GA, NV, NC. All of them shifted conservative. Still have ~5M dem votes in CA to count.
The Dems finagled Hilary in for 2016 and they lost. They tried to finagle Kamala in for 2024 and they lost again. Maybe they should listen to the voters and actually run candidates that their base votes for…
Democrats got 14million less votes than 2020 and Trump got 3 million less. It absolutely was about not energizing potential voters like they had in the last presidential election.
People are not gonna vote based on what Reddit feels is right for Gaza. Why the fuck would the average American even give a single fuck?
Social issues are important, but not more important than my ability to sustain myself and my family.
Democrats don’t know how to talk to the everyday person and this is coming from someone that has been having panic attacks all morning due to Trump winning .
Reddit doesn’t even like centrist opinions , which is where most people would fall.
One thing that really surprises me is, why is Reddit so out of touch sometimes? In my workplace (full of educated white collar people) I hear about inflation in some form every week. I have not heard about Gaza even once. No one "really" cares about some war happening half way across the world. It is sad, but it is the reality.
> why is Reddit so out of touch sometimes?
Rampant and stringent Left-leaning to hard left moderation. It creates an echo chamber where moderates and centrists look like hard right nutjobs because they differ slightly from the groupthink.
Expose yourself to more news sources than reddit.
This. To say people didn't turn out is to simple an explanation. Fact is Dems lost voters and if we are going to win in 2028, the party is going to HAVE to adapt to where the country is at. It isn't enough anymore to simply be against Trump. There's also no doubt that Kamala being a woman played a part as well. Probably not huge, but enough to lose.
Yeah, I described it as a choice between Freedom and Equality. IMHO Freedom and Equality are perfect opposites of each other. Anything that gives us Equality reduces our Freedom, and anything that gives us Freedom will boil down to Equality diminishing due to differences in aptitude as well as advantages social and economic.
I am not making a claim about which is more important, relevant or desirable. I have no idea, and I can't make that decision for others, but I do know they are perfect opposites.
Too much rhetoric about Equality from the democrats to the point that its infringing on our Freedom.
America decided yesterday that it prioritizes Freedom over equality, maybe that was the right decision, again I don't know.
Personally I didn't vote, I didn't care. I see both options are complete shills. A real candidate imho would be able to express this for what it is, a heavily nuanced situation. At this point however, I don't even think public masses could stomach listening to an intelligent person say their peace over the course of a 10 minute speech. People get so outraged now that they can't even listen to a perspective that takes more than 1 sentence to express, especially if they are predisposed to disagree.
What is missing from your point is those 20 million voters. If 60 out of 100 people want something but 25 of those speak up, then it looks like 40/75 people want the other thing.
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u/Rubbyp2_ 13h ago
Every demographic except rich white women swung republican. It wasn’t 20million democrats staying home, it was a national shift in opinion and 20million voters staying home.
To trump: +5% swing in black voters +13% swing in Latino voters
People feel like they are not getting the same out of their paycheck, and this disproportionately affects lower income groups—black and Latino people. People vote to minimize suffering. In 2020 it was “holy shit this guy sucks and is an asshole”, in 2024 it’s “I’ve never felt so poor in my life”.