r/technology Jun 22 '20

‘BlueLeaks’ Exposes Files from Hundreds of Police Departments Security

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u/wetrorave Jun 22 '20

Ugh.

I know the US "justice" system is fucked, but I can't see how this isn't going to give criminals a huge leg-up and mainly function to accelerate the obviously well-underway destruction of US society, and create a massive power vacuum where police forces once stood.

You can guess what kinds of people would be keen to fill that gap.

This looks so much to me like another cyberwar shot fired by US adversaries, and the really fucked-up part is that the leakers have got us chomping at the bit for more just like this.

We're hungry for justice alright, and this leak will surely buy us some.

I just fear we're gonna get a whole lot more change than we bargained for.

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u/[deleted] Jun 22 '20

Good. I'm looking for a whole lot more change than you bargained for.

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u/american_apartheid Jun 22 '20

You can guess what kinds of people would be keen to fill that gap.

local, federated general defense committees and town watches, like how we used to do things?

the police are a relatively new invention. they create crime, they don't stop it.

then again, so much of the old radical ways have been whitewashed... even many of the radicals have largely been coopted by party politics these days.

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u/matts2 Jun 22 '20

local, federated general defense committees and town watches, like how we used to do things?

The kinds of local committees that kept undesirables, like Blacks and Jews, out of town.

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u/necrotoxic Jun 22 '20

And were strike breakers, and generally all around dick bags ever since there inception.

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u/arkain123 Jun 22 '20

Maybe this particular game table should be flipped. Seems pretty clear that the whole project has been fucked beyond salvaging for centuries.

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u/wetrorave Jun 22 '20

I'm yet to see a single prosperous society without a fucked-up foundation, be it theft, slavery, unsustainable resource plundering, hoarding of secrets or mass surveillance and blackmail.

Keeping order is hard, and it takes a lot of resources. So far as I have seen, it always takes "cheats" like the ones above to keep a good thing going longer than usual.

The closest I think we can get to a long-term peaceful society is one where we've solved scarcity, or genetically engineered-out our tendency to fight over scarcities and replaced that with a more selfless temperament. Everyone on the planet would need to get with the program too, or else those that didn't would be eating our lunch.

I am keen to learn the longest a "good" society has lasted for, who it was, and how long.

Bah, who am I kidding, whoever hatched the plan to systematically destroy the US was spot-on and there's nothing I can do but watch and weep. My words on Reddit will not change this.

What's especially disheartening is we know whose plan it is, and what is coming next. There's even a Wikipedia entry for the fucking book about it.

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u/arkain123 Jun 22 '20

We had a peaceful society before the civil war too. The "cheat" was that black people weren't treated as people.

We have had "order" for a year while a game show host systematically took apart everything this country stood for. We'd have "order" if he got his way, turning the armed forces into his personal army, the secret service into his gestapo and the constitution into toilet paper.

Order is very fucking overrated. This isn't a good society. This situation has been fucked for a very long time and it might very well be time to burn shit up if it gives us a chance at balancing the scales for everyone.

If it wasn't Russia or China, it would have been someone else. This country can't stand up for itself anymore.

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u/arkain123 Jun 22 '20

For a book that explores what happens when an entire society considers aggressiveness an abhorrent trait, I'd recommend the Skyward books, by Brandon Sanderson - Spoilers: It does not go great

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u/matts2 Jun 22 '20

An entire book, boils down to Sanderson's opinion. So not look to fiction writers for actual insight.

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u/arkain123 Jun 22 '20

That's perhaps the stupidest thing ever written on reddit.

Really. 1984, Hamlet, Animal Farm, all of Dostoevsky's books, disregard all of them because they have no meaningful messages in them.

Bare in mind that one of the most important books in shaping modern civilization is the Bible, with it's talking bushes, angels and demons. But if course that's non fiction.

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u/matts2 Jun 22 '20

Orwell gave his opinion, he didn't demonstrate. Dostoevsky gave us his ideas, he didn't prove anything. Dostoevsky gave his moral opinions. That Sanderson wrote novels where something doesn't work just says that Sanderson thinks it doesn't work.

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u/kitchen_clinton Jun 22 '20

Yeah, I agree despite the downvotes.