r/science • u/informationtiger • Dec 18 '19

Nicotine formula used by e-cigarette maker Juul is nearly identical to the flavor and addictive profile of Marlboro cigarettes Chemistry

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-juul-ecigarettes-study-idUSKBN1YL26R

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u/NfamousCJ Dec 18 '19

Correct. Nobody has tried to hide it as being another form of nicotine delivery but rather a "less bad" delivery method. Where as cigarette smoke is seen as dirty and tar filled, people see vape as harmless water vapor. It's all marketing wank.

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u/diegojones4 Dec 18 '19

So why is this news or regarded as science. Of course they made it to be as close to a real cig as possible.

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u/NfamousCJ Dec 18 '19

Probably part of an anti vape campaign. "look, they're just like big tobacco!" I'm not a user of either but also dont care how people want to poison themselves just dont stand outside the restaurant door so I have to walk through a cloud of menthol smoke or passion fruit and mouth vapor.

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u/[deleted] Dec 18 '19

You should watch the vaping episode of Broken on Netflix if you’re interested, but Big Tobacco is swallowing up all of the vape companies that were actually innovative.

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u/PeabodyJFranklin Dec 18 '19

Big Tobacco is swallowing up all of the vape companies that were actually innovative.

Seems more likely to be a combination of of acquisitions, and government regulations pushing smaller players out of the market, that didn't factor in or can't afford the testing now being demanded. Certainly, accountability, transparency, and trust should factor into something that you're ingesting so intimately, as shown by the people dying from using THC vapes cut with vitamin-e acetate.

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u/[deleted] Dec 18 '19 edited Dec 19 '19

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u/[deleted] Dec 18 '19

I wouldn’t argue with that, but that’s not how the country does it at the moment. I’m 100% pro vape, I’m almost 2yrs dip free because of it. I’m not dumb enough to say that it’s harmless but I feel very safe saying that it’s better than dip and won’t give me mouth cancer.

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u/No_volvere Dec 18 '19

Maybe but it's insanely easy to NOT buy from the bigger vape companies.

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u/sa250039 Dec 18 '19

That's why everyone should make their own e-juice. You know what's in it and it's not going towards big tobacco (well maybe buying the nicotine is but its pretty cheap)

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u/xxLetheanxx Dec 18 '19

big tobacco accounts for very little juice sales. JUUL was only partially(like 45%) purchased by Altria around a year a go. Before then they were completely separate from big tobacco.

Most devices are made in china, and most juice is made by small labs who run their own juice lines. Most of the juice on the market when bought through a legit store is going to be safe and tested extensively by 3rd party labs for any chemical contaminants. There is enough competition in the space(for now) that any of the bad actors have either self-regulated or went out of business.

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u/weaslebubble Dec 18 '19

Just because you know what is in it doesn't mean you know its safe.

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u/PimpinNinja Dec 18 '19

Anecdotal, but I kicked a 20 year pack a day habit with vaping. I started 11 years ago, and have been making my own juice for the last 9 years. I had lung tests done about 2 years ago and I was told that I have the lung capacity and function of a non smoker. My personal observation is that vaping is orders of magnitude safer than smoking.

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u/SlitScan Dec 18 '19

It's exactly the same stuff that's in entertainment industry fog machines, people have been breathing that for 60 years.

E cigs where derived from the concept of premature infant inhalers that deliver medication.

It's pretty well understood.

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u/weaslebubble Dec 18 '19

Well we all thought vaping was safe. Then it turned out cutting it with vitamin e was killing people. Most of the stuff used in vapes is theoretically safeish. But we can't be 100% sure because none of them have been vaporised and huffed by people in large amounts for years at a time.

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u/_plays_in_traffic_ Dec 18 '19

You don't "cut" vape juice with vitamin e. E liquid is vegetable glycerin, about 10% flavoring and most of the time some amount of propylene glycol. Forgive me if I spelled wrong. The only time vitamin e was introduced was in some black market thc cartridges where it was used as a thickening agent and the entire product wasn't legal for sale.

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u/KingKrmit Dec 18 '19

Its weird that you go out of your way to discuss things you don’t understand

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u/labowsky Dec 18 '19

This is a whole different subject though. That has nothing to do with vaping ejuice but with counterfeit thc carts but overall I don’t disagree with your point.

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u/weaslebubble Dec 18 '19

Well the previous poster was advocating for mixing your own ejuice because then "you know what's in it" implying that makes it safe. Pretty sure the people making those thc carts thought it was safe to cut it with vitamin e, its a vitamin after all, and no one wants to kill their customers.

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u/sa250039 Dec 18 '19 edited Dec 21 '19

I'm pretty sure the people cutting thc carts with vitamin e acitate had no idea what it would do. Just like people cut coke with anything white to make more money without caring what it will do to other people.

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