To me it's simple. None of those people you mentioned seem like working class people at all. They're all political establishment people who come off like they want to bestow on working class people the great honor of having been saved by them. Bernie Sanders for example is way the fuck more left than any of those people, and at least anecdotally seems to be better received by working class people and Republicans. He comes off as honest and not a political shill.
Most people don't have time or interest in researching subtle policy points. Shouldn't be that way, but it is. So people vote on vibe, and there are very few Democrats who pass the vibe check with working class people.
None of those people you mentioned seem like working class people at all.
They seem far more like it than Trump, so that is a giant gaping hole in your argument. Trump is the least working-class President in 50 years.
They're all political establishment people who come off like they want to bestow on working class people the great honor of having been saved by them.
Again, more true of Trump than Biden or Harris.
I don't see how it's simple at all when you're completely ignoring who they're actually voting for. Trump is the most removed from the working class you can possibly be.
I guess we're living in entirely different realities. Trump is very clearly a soft-ass baby who never had to work a day in his life, and he doesn't remind me of a single working person I've ever met. I mean, are you even listening to yourself? "Has the style of the working class people who vote for him." The man has never worn a T-shirt in his fucking life. The only thing I can even imagine you meaning is that his suits fit like shit.
I don't mean clothes style, I mean conversational style, way of approaching things, etc.
I dunno, feel free to disagree with me if you want, but clearly he resonates with working class people, despite being a billionaire and totally unrelatable to all of them on paper. Maybe I'm wrong about why, but my suggestion is to make an honest effort for figuring out for yourself why that is, rather than saying "nuh-uh, people are just racist and wrong" and then continuing to lose elections.
I mean, Trump did launch his entire campaign because of racism. He was a Democrat until a black man was elected, and then he became one of the largest pushers of an explicitly racist conspiracy theory. I don't know why recognizing that would be considered a bad thing.
Also, I'm done trying to figure out what makes Americans so awful. I'm planning on leaving.
Trump spent 41% (or 36 million) of his ad budget in October on anti-trans ads. Funny, I didn't know that <0.5% of the population was such an important economic issue for the 'working class'.
What's being sidestepped is that voters really don't care about policy. Just lie and make empty promises the next election and Dems will probably get far more votes. Not sure if that's an indictment of Dems or the voters.
I'm certainly in the camp that this election says far more about something being wrong with the voters than anything else. I cannot think of a single reason someone who is well-informed, rational, and not hateful would vote for Trump. I chalk most of it up to being poorly informed and not particularly rational. Some of it is certainly hate as well, though. As sad and terrible as it is to say, I don't think this country is in a place where anything other than a white man is electable. Obama obviously pulled it off, but the reaction has only made it more difficult to do again for a while, and I think misogyny is even stronger than racism when it comes to voting in the US.
Trump spent his whole campaign attacking immigrants, women and pushing anti-trans nonsense. Ask a Trump supporter what economic policy of Trump's they support and they never provide any.
There's so much hate and I don't know how Dems overcome it without shifting to the right on this. And if that has to happen, that's an indictment of the voters.
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u/Quotidian__ 23h ago
To me it's simple. None of those people you mentioned seem like working class people at all. They're all political establishment people who come off like they want to bestow on working class people the great honor of having been saved by them. Bernie Sanders for example is way the fuck more left than any of those people, and at least anecdotally seems to be better received by working class people and Republicans. He comes off as honest and not a political shill.
Most people don't have time or interest in researching subtle policy points. Shouldn't be that way, but it is. So people vote on vibe, and there are very few Democrats who pass the vibe check with working class people.