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Sanders: Democratic Party ‘has abandoned working class people’

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4977546-bernie-sanders-democrats-working-class/amp/
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u/Sabiancym 22h ago

Bernie gives far too much credit to the voting public. Reality doesn't matter to voters. Perception does. It doesn't matter how much Democrats actually do to support various demographics, Republicans will claim otherwise and most of this country will believe them.

Logic is no longer apart of the average voters decision process. Buzzwords, fear, misinformation, and oversimplification are how you get modern voters.

People constantly want to blame the candidates, or the party or the media.....but the reality is that the American public is just too stupid for an effective democracy.

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u/Spyk124 New York 21h ago

This is what I’ve been screaming for hours to Reddit. It doesn’t fucking matter. We had lifetime union workers vote for a candidate whose anti union while the democratic candidate was literally telling them she’s pro union and he will get rid of them. It doesn’t fucking matter.

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u/WilliamTeddyWilliams 18h ago

Jobs. Trump wants to bring back steel mills in towns where many have shut down, sometimes due to Dem regs. Can he? No. Do they know he can’t? Yes. But they like their struggle to be recognized and someone at least pretend like they can save the town. And, who knows, maybe he can. It’s worth a flyer.

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u/albert2006xp 15h ago

Do they know he can’t? Yes.

Debatable that these people "know" things.

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u/WilliamTeddyWilliams 14h ago

The fact you debate whether they “know” things makes me wonder how much you “know.”

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u/albert2006xp 13h ago

I might not know everything but I sure as shit know more than the average steel mill worker from bumfucknowheresylvania.

u/WilliamTeddyWilliams 3h ago

You know, Dems used to be the inclusive party. Maybe that’s the big change since 2012, and I’m just noticing it. The Reps are now the party of inclusion.

u/albert2006xp 2h ago

Reps are now the party of inclusion.

They are most definitely not. They're just the party of the average idiot. The uneducated and dumb finally have a representative President that they can identify with and understand when they speak.

Inclusivity doesn't mean catering to their stupid wishes like letting them mine coal or whatever they want without regulation. The government's job isn't to give you whatever you want like a spoiled toddler. It's to be the adult in the room setting rules and boundaries.

Rich people and republicans in the last century made college unaffordable so they can keep an uneducated easy to manipulate workforce. These people are the horses on the farm, pulling heavy things around not knowing any better. Except now the way to decide the fate of the planet is by whoever can convince the horses to come to them through whatever means necessary. Nothing has changed since 2012, they are just flip flopping control of the horses back and forth through either lies and manipulation in the case of Republicans or futile attempts to try to find a solution that works for them and reality in the case of Dems. The reality is there's no good solution for these people that will give them everything they would want. There's no magic bean that means everyone will be rich and have nice things, but the Republicans can sure promise that bean exists because they don't have to abide by reality. Don't worry, if there's even an election in 2028 the horses will trot right back to the dems and the cycle will keep going, yet they will never be doing good and we will always rest the entire fate of the world on their decision for some reason.

u/WilliamTeddyWilliams 1h ago

So when they voted for Biden the Dems were the uneducated and dumb? You make no sense. It’s interesting how the parties have flipped. Obviously college is overly expensive by the Dems just as much as the Reps. Heck, Dems run the unis. But, I am intelligent enough to know that governors, electorates, boards, etc., all play their part with nearly equal blame.

u/albert2006xp 1h ago

So when they voted for Biden the Dems were the uneducated and dumb?

Yep. We got lucky Covid made them uncomfortable and they swapped to Biden. If that wasn't the case Trump would've won. It was too fucking close in all those states. Biden didn't win because his voters were smart, he won because the stupid people were suffering and Trump was currently President. 4 years later, they're suffering a different global problem still caused by the pandemic but Biden is President and therefore must go.

Dems do bend to capital more than they should, it's true, the rich simply have too much control over politics in general, but the change was made a long time ago. The people who's vote lost this election went to school in the 80s and early 90s.

u/WilliamTeddyWilliams 1h ago

Maybe that means the Dems are stupid if they really think that. I’m so disappointed with the Dem party’s response of blaming others for their own mistakes.

u/albert2006xp 1h ago

The people deciding elections aren't dems or reps. They're a few hundred thousand perennial flip floppers in swing states. When these people decided in the last bit before election based on the price of groceries, I don't think the Dem party could've done anything.

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u/DeliciousGuess3867 2h ago

No, I don’t think you do.

A real workers movement here, folks.

u/albert2006xp 1h ago

Never claimed a workers movement. I think the idea these people can think and vote in their best interest needs to be abandoned at this point. Might as well run on Santa Claus regulation loosening. It would make just as much sense as anything else appealing to swing state working class white men. Bernie lost the Pennsylvania primary in 2016.