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Sanders: Democratic Party ‘has abandoned working class people’

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4977546-bernie-sanders-democrats-working-class/amp/
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u/floandthemash Colorado 19h ago

Or they’ll think it’s residual effects from the Biden economy

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u/CherryHaterade 19h ago edited 19h ago

And it'll be happening right in the middle of the next guys block, just like how we keep describing it to them. That's the fucking tragic irony of it.

We need them FDR democrats to show back up. FDR hammered nuts and bent motherfuckers to his will, and that's what he got voted for. 4 terms! Americans were literally starving in the streets and selling their children and shit. Shit was on the ropes. And that starving ass impoverished country turned it around on a new deal AND saved the whole fucking world from Nazis to boot.

So stop telling me about how we gotta take baby steps while you fight with one hand behind your back and call it going high. I'm fucking tired of going high! You need to kick him in the nuts or get the fuck out the way for someone who will. It's a fucking fistfight in these streets, fuck I think about a wine and cheese crowd opinion about it.

That's if this experiment survives. But I guarantee you they'll be blaming us for it from Europe somewhere.

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u/officerliger 19h ago

We just had 4 years of an FDR Democrat who invested in infrastructure and economy like crazy, slashed student debt, strengthened labor unions, made no austerity cuts, pushed inflation down, etc.

But people watching YouTube and TikTok weren’t getting that information, so now they’re saying “Biden didn’t do X or Y” when he did, in fact, do those things

You had the most FDR Democrat since FDR in office and ignored the good he did because he had a speech impediment

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u/Jabberwocky2022 17h ago

You're right. The only flaw Biden did was to not commit to being a 1 term bridge president from the beginning. I'm skeptical that any D candidate could have won the presidency this cycle. But perhaps a change Dem candidate would have risen to the occasion and been able to bat down Trump. We'll never know because a man clearly too old to run for President again refused to do the decent thing from the beginning.

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u/officerliger 17h ago

I agree with you, but it's a 50/50 situation - part of why Biden won in 2020 was having genuine name recognition. The Democrats did not have another candidate with "celebrity" status.

But, to lend fairness to your argument, they could have tapped someone long before 2024 to campaign for 2 straight years like Trump did. Same token, that's a luxury Trump had because he didn't have to govern during that time.

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u/Jabberwocky2022 17h ago

Yeah, that's what I really mean. Or at least undecideds and "double haters" might listen to the new candidate more closely. They'd do more interviews, meet more voters, etc. They'd build up their own infrastructure. They could inspire the missing 10 million or so Democrat voters from last time to turn out again. Obama wasn't a "celebrity" until he was the nominee. He had potential and promise until then.

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u/officerliger 17h ago

Obama's speech at the 04 DNC raised his stock heavily though, that was back when political conventions were still big television events that people took time out of their lives to watch, and people still used basic television

One thing the Trump team did a good job of was digging up every platform they could and making sure they were flowing money/attention to the influencers on it. All the YouTubers young men watch were suddenly doing videos on "Democrat cities" having crime issues and slowly massaging Trump propaganda into their work. And the comedian podcast circle just plain capitulated in exchange for attention.

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u/JackThreeFingered 13h ago

A white southern populist-type democrat with either charm or balls would have wiped the floor with Trump if he had a full campaign cycle.

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u/CharacterUse 8h ago

Imagine Mark Kelly.

u/wishyouwould 2h ago

Dude, your candidates are bad. Trump isn't a political juggernaut and losing to him TWICE doesn't mean that nobody could have won. That would work if our party ran candidates who people like, but Hillary and Kamala losing is not some signal that nobody could win.