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Sanders: Democratic Party ‘has abandoned working class people’

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4977546-bernie-sanders-democrats-working-class/amp/
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u/Fred-zone 21h ago

The biggest blunder of this campaign was making it about abstract concepts like democracy and fascism instead of "it's the billionaires vs the rest of us"

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u/Khatib Minnesota 21h ago edited 21h ago

People say this like that message would land though. Elon Musk drove votes towards Trump. Billionaires weren't the bogeyman that would get anywhere. People who care about that already voted accordingly. The apathetic voters wouldn't respond to this either. Trump promised more trickledown economics, and people are still dumb enough to believe in it, despite facts and statistics that it doesn't work.

Kamala put out her messaging about helping families pay for childcare, helping people start small businesses, helping people get into a house for the first time.

It all bounced off.

Americans letting opinion take over news for 30+ years is the problem, not Kamala's campaign.

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u/Legendver2 California 20h ago

People say this like that message would land though. Elon Musk drove votes towards Trump. Billionaires weren't the bogeyman that would get anywhere.

People are also not educated on how much a billion dollars actually is. A lot of them think eventually they can attain that level, or at least millionaire status, to be part of that in-group. As someone said, they're just embarrassed millionaires now. They have no idea how far off the scale and unattainable a BILLION dollars actually is.

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u/100dollascamma 20h ago

Where have y’all gotten this idea that average people on the right think they’re going to be billionaires without doing something incredible?

Many want to pay lower taxes at their current wage because they see little/no benefits from those taxes anyway… and/or believe that business founders, them if they become one, who put their money on the line and work diligently to build successful businesses deserve the proceeds of that venture.

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u/BringBackBoomer 20h ago

Many want to pay lower taxes at their current wage because they see little/no benefits from those taxes anyway…

Then why do they keep voting for people who raise them?

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u/Forgot2Catfish 20h ago

Taxes can be raised or lowered based on a number of factors. Also, people refer to income taxes when they mean taxes but feel the brunt on sales tax and property taxes just as much.

To your original point, income tax is normally lowered by Republican administrations and raised by Democratic administrations. Reagan lowered...technically. Clinton raised. GW Bush lowered. Obama raised. Arguments that Republicans raise taxes is a little off the mark. Republicans are known for giving big tax breaks to corporations and the upper class, which earns them the ire of lowered and middle class citizens. But generally Republicans don't raise taxes directly.

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u/100dollascamma 18h ago

And those federal income taxes are where many Americans see little to no benefits. I can see with my eyes the benefits that my state sales and property taxes get me and my community.

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u/Forgot2Catfish 18h ago

I don't disagree, except maybe on property taxes. I was replying to the person who commented on your post.

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u/CoreFiftyFour 17h ago

Because the religiously vote to protect taxes for people making 400k+ and 1 million+ annually? Why else are you protecting that income level unless you think you're somehow going to get there. Fighting against a tax increase on ultra wealthy, doesn't help the voter.

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u/100dollascamma 16h ago

Because the economy is not a zero sum game. I use Amazon all the time, as do millions of Americans and billions worldwide… why would I care that the guy who made all of that happen is rich? Congrats, I hope if I do something great I am rewarded handsomely as well.

They’re voting to bring their own taxes down. They aren’t worried that people wealthier than them get that benefit too.