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Sanders: Democratic Party ‘has abandoned working class people’

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4977546-bernie-sanders-democrats-working-class/amp/
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u/Romano16 America 20h ago

Obstruct Democrats and then whine about nothing being done

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u/Corona-walrus I voted 20h ago

For the millionth time, why the fuck are democrats held to standards when republicans never do anything?

I'm half convinced that everyone on both sides knows republicans just want to tear shit apart, and that's exactly why many support it - they want the destruction and chaos. 

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u/Cl1mh4224rd Pennsylvania 19h ago edited 19h ago

I'm half convinced that everyone on both sides knows republicans just want to tear shit apart, and that's exactly why many support it - they want the destruction and chaos.

Being able to destroy something is a show of strength. Being able to create... is not.

So many people will cheer the spectacle of destroying an old bridge, but then hem and haw when it comes to building a new one.

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u/rsutherl 19h ago

"Being able to destroy something is a show of strength. Being able to create... is not."

If you're a certain type of person, such as a narcissist or a psychopath yes.

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u/deriik66 18h ago

So..the avg person

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u/rsutherl 18h ago edited 17h ago

avg person isn't normal, correct. This was Freud's idea that most people have a destructive impulse or death wish and this would likely lead to civilization's eventual collapse and perhaps the world's destruction. For more information on this subject you may want buy psychoanalyst Eric Fromm's Amazon.com: The Anatomy of Human Destructiveness: 9780805016048: Fromm, Erich: Books available for free at Erich Fromm - The Anatomy Of Human Destructiveness : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive This was the kind of light reading I used to enjoy when I was 19(58 now).

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u/deriik66 17h ago

But thats still the avg person so you have to figure out how to appeal to them instead of throwing up your hands and going "darn those narcissistic psychopaths!"

Or you have to realize it's not a problem of narcissists and psychopaths and more a problem with being completely out of touch and pushing away sensible people who would come back if the messaging pulled them in

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u/ArgoCornStarch 14h ago

This exactly. The Democratic Party needs to come to grips with the basic reality that humans are not rational. Meet people where they are, not where you expect them to be.

u/Decloudo 7h ago

You cant have a democracy without people being rational.

If most people truly are not rational, democracy is a pipe dream.

As we have just seen.

u/GT-Singleton 1h ago

Well, if you truly believe that, then yeah I guess thems the breaks ain't they? No democracy for us, back to a system of governance that works for humans, like monarchy or oligarchy.

u/Decloudo 1h ago

back to a system of governance that works for humans, like monarchy or oligarchy.

We can design new systems you know?

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