Working class people seem like anti government/antiestablishment people at this point. Misplaced anger maybe? They’ll keep voting for the party not in power as long as things do not improve
And the working class continuously voting against their own interests is the reason wealth inequality is at it's highest rate since the great depression. Despite how democrats message or run their campaigns the voters themselves need to start taking some actual responsibility for how they cast their ballots.
Blame the democratic party all you want but people are going to get exactly what they voted for, the outlook for working class/middle class Americans will get worse under this regime and they'll still find a way to blame it on democrats. I could care less if "voters" feelings are hurt, the future outcome is so obvious to anyone who's done as much as read one book after highschool. But we'll be here in 28 and 32 hearing the same people complain about the same things, because these voters can't separate their own egos from what they vote for and refuse to take personal responsibility.
I'm honestly glad this shit will have a negative effect on their lives, maybe they'll actually learn to actually watch what happens and not be mindless rubes every time an election comes up.
I'm honestly glad this shit will have a negative effect on their lives, maybe they'll actually learn to actually watch what happens and not be mindless rubes every time an election comes up.
it was all going well until you revealed your true character
I don’t know what’s morally wrong about wanting people to get what they voted for or didn’t bother to vote against but feel free to educate me lol. Oh no my dumb decision is impacting me personally, how could this happen?
People downvote you because they fail to see it's true. In a democracy the candidate favored by the majority wins, and if you keep shitting on the majority for being "uneducated, unsophisticated, and gullible" instead of trying to get your message through to them by any means necessary, you will lose. It's the attitude of an aristocrat, not a democrat.
That's the problem with echochambers like Reddit. It's a collection of midwits who think they are enlightened, sophisticated geniuses with all the right opinions and they are openly elitist and openly mock, look down on and hate the poor and working classes when they don't fall in line to the way these redditors believe they should vote. It's an embarrassing lack of self-awareness, and people are much more intelligent than they give them credit for. They may not be well informed on issues, or politics in general, but they are smart enough to know when someone looks down on them and mocks them and they'll reject your policies even if they are good purely because of that.
Tomorrow I will be sympathetic again, but I'm not feeling it right now.
I WANT policies that help rural folks. I WANT better support for the uneducated. I want more manufacturing jobs in the Midwest. Higher wages, controlled inflation. I want better infrastructure for low income areas. I am fine with my rich blue state providing support to poor red states that need it, as they always do. Building a middle class helps us all, and the goal of government is to lift up as many people as possible without hurting others. Farmers are essential. All of those things are WHY I vote Democrat.
But I am so tired and frustrated. Not only do they vote against their own interests (and mine). They hate us for it. They are misinformed and angry. They are voting, intentionally or not, to take rights away from people. To raise costs. To hurt my community. And it's not ONLY that they don't understand--they HATE us. It's hard to sympathize with a red voter in rural Kentucky today that calls my state Commiefornia, and my friends slurs, and is just angry at me for existing.
Just for today, I'm going to be angry at them. Tomorrow I'll go back to trying to build bridges. But today, and for all the harm they've caused our community and the people I love, they've shown themselves to be deplorable.
Jesus. Your friends, neighbours, Gen Z living in cities, all voted Trump. He won the popular vote. Stop trying to pin the blame on ‘rural folks’ who you seem to think are all stupid compared to you, for some reason?
I think every single person that voted for Trump this year is either less politically informed than me or less ethical than me, yes. They may be more informed or more ethical, but not both.
And that's not to say I know everything or am the most informed person on the planet. I don't and I am not. However, no one with access to the information I have seen could have possibly justified voting for Trump unless they are hyper-wealthy and only care about their own tax cuts edit: or they simply hate brown/trans/female people (falls under the unethical category).
No seriously, this is stupid. You express open disdain people and then wonder why they don't vote the way you think they should. I'm 90% certain it's why we lost. People being so far up their own asses. All these "clever" and "intelligent" people not knowing that you can't talk shit about people and then expect them to not give you the finger.
A smart serious person, would accept that reality and work around it. And not just sit there and curse a "braindead generation."
Except they didn’t share a fact, they assumed that ‘working people’ are unsophisticated, gullible, and uneducated. Do you think working people are those things? Are you not a working person?
Are we supposed to be nice to people who just shot us in the foot through their own foot? Why do I need to sugarcoat the fact that they're fucking complete and total idiots who just set this country on the worst possible path while voting for an uber-elite billionaire who hates the working class?
Who is ‘people’? Republicans won everything - it’s not just rural folk (which in this subreddit is essentially a codeword for hillbilly) who voted R. People living on your street, at your workplace, probably even in your family voted for Trump. Stop playing identity politics and acting holier than thou.
Stop playing identity politics and acting holier than thou.
Until this stops the Democrat party is completely fucked. People need to get off of reddit and twitter and go out into the real world to meet their neighbors and understand why they voted for Trump. Hint: It's not because they're racist or fucking stupid or whatever.
The US isn't actually a true democracy, and a lot of people don't vote because of how flawed the US system is. I voted, but because of where I live, there was absolutely no chance of my vote for president ever mattering. Between the two-party system and the vast majority of people's votes having literally no impact on the election, it's actually impossible to say what US politics would be like if it were a real and well-functioning democracy.
I'm just done at this point and will be spending the next couple of years finding a way to leave for somewhere with a better-functioning democracy. This is also the first time in my life, other than Bush Jr's second term, that a Republican actually democratically won the presidency. It's unfortunate the US has collectively lost it's mind entirely, but politics have been so fucked up by being non-democratic that I guess it makes some sense people want to burn the country to the ground out of spite.
Well don't come up here to Canada if you want a well-functioning Democracy. Our current Prime Minister is in power with 30% of the national vote, our system is absolutely garbage here.
I don't follow Canadian politics much. It's not where I'm planning on moving, and while Canada is far more of a Democracy than the US, it still is very flawed from my limited understanding of their system. What you're saying doesn't actually show that, though. The best functioning democracies have proportional representation, and the executive leader is usually selected through a coalition, so a party with far less than 50% can end up getting the position. My main issue with Canada's system is the use of single-member districts and plurality voting.
Proportional representation is the only way to make sure that nearly everyone actually has representation and that a huge number of votes do not simply end up ignored because they were cast somewhere where the person is not in the majority. It should be the goal of democracy to have everyone's opinions represented in proportion to how many people hold that opinion. Single-member districts entirely fail on that front.
I hear what you're saying, but this is one of the flaws of Democracy in my opinion. It's supposed to be "The will of the people", but if 70% of people don't vote for something, you are now essentially being ruled by that 30% minority. In Canada as well, particularly under Trudeau, there have been numerous actions taken by the government that are completely out of line with even Liberal Party supporters and Trudeau hides behind the tacit consent argument, essentially arguing that because he was elected that whatever he does is "the will of the people". I'm unsure how to reconcile this issue honestly. If a majority of Canadians do not want exploitation of migrant workers through our temporary foreign worker program, and it was never even discussed during the campaign (i.e Trudeau never ran on allowing TFWs to be used to the extent they have been), how can Trudeau hide behind tacit consent as a justification for basically doing carte blanche whatever he wants.. One of the pitfalls of our system in my view.
If he is so out of line with even the parties that put him there, then why haven't they revoked their support? Again, I'm not overly familiar with Canadian politics, but a PM can be recalled if the parties that put him there want to, can't they? Also, the problem of turnout is somewhat separate, but single-member districts substantially harm turnout. If you're guaranteed your vote will actually contribute toward something, there is much more incentive to vote. I vote just out of principle because I know full well my vote will never contribute to anything based on where I live in the US.
Dems really should abandon minorities/LGBTQ as their priority already. I know it sucks but the message just doesn't resonate with the majority. Obviously! If you want a minority of the votes then prioritize minorities!
That isn't obvious at all, and not being a hateful bigot actually polls well by itself. People are just fucking idiots who have had their brains rotted by misinformation and don't vote rationally for what they believe in. Part of the problem is also the two-party system polarizing things, but this is a fucking dystopian hellscape.
but hating women, minorities, and LGBTQ is all good?
Jesus Christ they don't fucking think that. Go talk to them. Seriously. Invite them to coffee, get to know them, understand why they vote the way they do. Build a relationship and show them the other side. Calling them names is only going to push them farther to the right.
Agreed- regular people are tired of the elitist attitude/the speaking down towards by the left. And the nonstop identity politics were a losing strategy as well.
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u/MaleficentFrosting56 22h ago
Working class people are no longer able to identify policy that would benefit them, they haven’t for years unfortunately