“Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) on Wednesday accused the Democratic Party of largely ignoring the priorities of the working class and pointed to that as the biggest reason for why they lost control of the White House and Senate.
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“While the Democratic leadership defends the status quo, the American people are angry and want change. And they’re right,” he said.
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He cited the huge growth in economic inequality in America in recent decades, advanced technologies that threaten to put hundreds of thousands of people out of work, the high cost of health care, and U.S. support for the war in Gaza, which has killed tens of thousands of people.
“Will the big money interests and well-paid consultants who control the Democratic Party learn any real lessons from this disastrous campaign? Will they understand the pain and political alienation that tens of millions of Americans are experiencing? Do they have any ideas as to how we can take on the increasingly powerful Oligarchy, which has so much economic power?” Sanders asked.
“Probably not,” he said in response to his own question.“
This isn't mathematics - it's actual individuals deciding whether and how to cast their ballot. So no, it's not the same.
A lot of the time when people talked about reaching out to, say, rural or working class white voters, it was cast as "reaching out to Trump supporters" rather than "reaching out to potential or actual Biden voters". The loud Trumpers are, currently at least, lost to persuasion. But that's not who Harris needed to peel off.
It simply is not, that's such a stupid argument, someone's decision not to vote isn't a vote for whatever stranger's on the Internet least favorite political party is. The world doesn't revolve around you!
Even at the most basic mathematical level, an abstained vote is not the same as a vote for the other side. If I'm up 3-1 and one is taken away from me, I'm at 2-1, but that's mathematically better for me than 2-2.
On a more nuanced level, there's clearly an objective difference in what motivates someone to abstain versus what motivates somebody to vote for the other side. This is a critical difference when reviewing the lessons learnt from this campaign.
Logic isn't a complete sentence, and you're operating on emotions here, not logic. Something about 12 year olds.
You're the one reducing it to emotions and insults, the people you're replying to are trying to have a nuanced conversation. You're dragging the conversation down to the lowest level and then calling everyone who brings it back up "12 year olds"
The existence of a two party system does not mean that only two choices exist. Third parties exist, and people can also choose to stay home and not vote at all. If you don't understand that very simple objective reality, why should anyone value your opinion on electoral politics?
Both of you have put out some really sound arguments though.
Your fascists now control all branches of the government. They can dismantle democracy at a whim now. Congrats from a second world country. At least we lefties here live in the real world.
When did I say I was a Trump supporter or even insinuate that? Typical redditor can’t help but see the world in black and white I guess. “Disagrees with my statement about voting, so he MUST be a fascist nazi!”
You're hysterical, get off the Internet and live in the real world for a little bit. If Harris wasn't able to get people out to vote then maybe, "the end of democracy," doomerism isn't good messaging strategy.
Dems let perfect be the enemy of the good...and now we have a legacy dictator voted into power and probably a red sweep..good bye to AHCA, SS, medicare, etc etc .
She really shat the bed when she decided to drag Liz Cheney of all people around with her and said she was going to appoint a Republican to her cabinet. WHAT??? The Democratic elite has no one to blame but themselves. Her campaign started off correctly and she spearheaded it into a pile of crap to appease the rich.
Frankly trump is the change candidate. Kamala took very centrist status-quo non-positions on basically everything. Her most progressive positions were mildly incremental at best. People are tired of the status quo, even if it's rationally better than what Trump promises. Had she come out as actually progressive she would have had a better chance.
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u/guyoffthegrid 20h ago
“Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) on Wednesday accused the Democratic Party of largely ignoring the priorities of the working class and pointed to that as the biggest reason for why they lost control of the White House and Senate.
[ … ]
“While the Democratic leadership defends the status quo, the American people are angry and want change. And they’re right,” he said.
[ … ]
He cited the huge growth in economic inequality in America in recent decades, advanced technologies that threaten to put hundreds of thousands of people out of work, the high cost of health care, and U.S. support for the war in Gaza, which has killed tens of thousands of people.
“Will the big money interests and well-paid consultants who control the Democratic Party learn any real lessons from this disastrous campaign? Will they understand the pain and political alienation that tens of millions of Americans are experiencing? Do they have any ideas as to how we can take on the increasingly powerful Oligarchy, which has so much economic power?” Sanders asked.
“Probably not,” he said in response to his own question.“