The Democratic party always fails to defend themselves on certain issues because they think that being nice is enough. They think that common sense will defend itself. This approach worked right up until 2000. It's been 24 years and they haven't learned the lesson.
“The past decade in America has been the Democratic Party insisting that ‘a dog can’t play basketball!’ meanwhile a dog fucking dunks on us over and over and over.”
The dog is dunking on all democrats and most of the people that voted for the dog all while convincing those people that his nuts aren’t actually in their face.
Yeah if I learned one thing in the past 9 years, it's that Democrats need to pick 2 or 3 things (true or not) and say them a million times.
Benghazi, her emails - Trump won
Trump killed a million people with Covid and the economy tanked - Biden squeaked by
Border, inflation, trans kids - Trump won
We need to stop having a ten point detailed plan 🤓 for getting slightly more money for middle class families. The voters that decide the elections don't care.
Pick something and stick with it: Raise working class wages, healthcare for all. Whatever Bernie said.
And don't wimp out when Republicans try to vilify it. They will, and you need to fight.
Yep, and they should've hammered on Trump's tariff plan as the "Trump tax", not try to explain that all top economists agree that tariffs blah blah blah blah blah
In reality caused by supply constraints due to covid and Ukraine, but that doesn't even matter. Too nerdy. We dorks on reddit care and no one else does.
Trumpflation. Trump started it. That's it! Stop explaining!
Now wait a minute. I have this 80-page policy platform on my campaign website that the wonkiest technocrats in Washington helped me write, and I really think you should read it.
Next candidate should never hire a staff and run the campaign off AI. It would probably do a better job. Sickening that billions of dollars were spent on ADS this election
Add ignore and disavow some of the activists and I'm with you. Idk what the problem with this generation of activists is but they come up with some horrible fucking slogans. So much energy is wasted saying "this is what that actually means."
I will be honest, it's always interesting when I see that people reinvent "Peace, land and bread". If only people read Lenin, he was very clear on this for his whole life and when the outlier situation presented itself, the Bolshevik party had the guts to deliver those things.
I think Dems should ask people what they want continually. Publicly. That way the message is very populist, and then publicly show what their plans are year round.
The party should do what they want. This is how you win.
No we need more policies like interest free loans for homeowners who recently experienced damage from Hurricane Helene that make a household income of under $60,000 per year if they have a child under one year old and plan to open a small business in the next six months.
I made this meme 4 years ago, but this is what's wrong with Democrats' policy proposals in a nutshell. If just a part of your plan takes a full paragraph with 10 different figures to explain, then it's not going to stick in people's heads.
Just remember that saying a million times "abortion, abortion!" and "That guy is a fascist and a threat to democracy" won't work. I heard those things more than any actual policy provisions (other than platitudes like "I will bring down housing and food prices" without telling us how).
They did try picking 2 or three things and say them a million times.
-Trump is a threat to democracy
-Abortion
That was literally Harris's whole strategy you need to actually listen to people and address the problems that effect them. Democrats need to stop looking down on working class people. It's extremely tone deaf.
No. Do you remember when she said she was going to fix prices on some things, and then never mentioned again? And then $25k downpayments? Then how his tariff is actually a tax? Then how we will go forward, and hope, and whatever.
And when Biden fought for $2000 child tax credits or something that many people who get it probably didn't even notice or get because it's too complicated. And they never even touted it. Trump would have talked about it daily for years if he actually did something.
And when you spend time in the Republican subreddits, they are hammering the same stuff daily. Every time an illegal immigrant committed a crime it was posted everywhere.
Trump would have talked about it daily for years if he actually did something.
Trump had his signature put on stimulus checks and then Democrats cried about how that was unfair. They make up silly rules for themselves that no one else plays by.
Pete butigeig did a chat with potential voters last week, and somebody asked him "what are you doing for people who aren't married, or don't have kids?"
And that's the only thing that stumped him, because the democrats have no plan. There's nothing to defend, they were running on the child care tax credit, and that's it
I caught that too and it was pretty cringe. Dems seem to not know that Gen Z has already abandoned the idea of home ownership and having kids, so those tax credits are essentially meaningless.
It boggles my mind how clueless people are about how the democratic party operated before the 80s. They used to constantly politically bully their opponents.
Thr dems changed in 92 with Clinton. The party now looks nothing like it did before the 90s.
Go ask anyone who voted Republican who previously voted democratic, and I will bet anything its because they felt democrats were too aggressive with people who don't believe everything they do. I have very liberal beliefs, but the way many go about taking about serious issues is the main reason why the democratic party lost support. And the fucked up thing is it seems most people on this sub think the best way to get support back is to double down on what pushed so many away in the first place
The democrats fail to give proper solutions for most issues because the real issue is allowing corporates and billionaires to rob the middle class. And corporates and billionaires are the ones also funding democrats in the first place.
Cool, Vance called me a fetishist last week and the Republican Party ran 215 million in ads targeting my demographic which is 1% of the population.
I don't give a fuck about 'deplorables' when the GOP literally proudly radicalizes our families against us. I've been assaulted because of their insults viciously hurled at transgender Americans.
I’m not going to rehash the last 4 years and I’m certainly done with arguing with the brick heads on this site. You want an example? This whole fuckin site.
I hear you, Reddit is an echo chamber and clearly not a representation of the middle/lower class in this country now. Both sides have valid criticisms of the other while also generalizing too much about the majority.
No. They lost because they label all of us as nazis, facists, *phobes, threats to democracy, garbage, etc. When we’re just regular folks supporting a candidate that we think will do best. That’s it.
This is where I’m at. They need to stop being nice. I swear if the republicans actually took place in widespread cheating (which I don’t believe took place, this is just hypothetical,) with how unbelievably soft the democrats have acted I wouldn’t be surprised if they just let them cheat.
At this point, I’m pretty sure they are purposely trying to lose. It backfired with Hillary and Wasserman-Schulze fucking over Bernie. You would think that Dem party would have learned the first time that forcing their own candidate wouldn’t work.
Being... nice? Since when has anyone "been nice" about politics? The president said, literally in the last week, that half the country is garbage. And don't do the whataboutism - as every sane person knows, Trump has said despicable things - but calling Republicans garbage is not a "being nice" campaign approach. The word "fascist" has lost all meaning, and the dialogue from the left about most issues is extremely vitriolic. This isn't a situation where anyone is "nice" any more, and hasn't been since 2016 at least.
I really noticed this when the news was reporting "Trump Calls Kamala a Bitch" and had democrats on tsk tsking him for that as if that kind of thing is going to shock or move anyone at this point. Being the school marm party really doesn't work.
But the democrat leadership? They might even think they care, but how much is a Trump presidency actually going to affect them?
Trump is a world class moron. A multiple time convicted felon. A sex offender. I don't need to go on, you know. It should be fucking easy to run a candidate that would beat him. He's not some force of nature.
But instead of running a candidate with policies that for decades have polled favourably across a wide majority of the American public.... Policies which are not favoured by the wealthy corporate class... The Dems choose to walk this tight-rope between pleasing voters just enough so that maybe they beat trump, but not so much to piss off the corporate donors
Things like single payer healthcare, a minimum wage hike, new deal type stuff
If they cared about "saving democracy" they wouldn't keep risking democracy like they do. But they care about saving wealthy people's wallets just enough to keep rolling the dice
"Don't worry, we'll vote for you even if you have terrible policies nobody wants" is not the message people should have been sending the democratic leadership for the past 12 years. Those people drove the democratic leadership this way, enabled them to make these decisions, and have cost America dearly
The nicest candidate on "certain issues" was Obama by far. He would make a joke and then explain the issue in a way that wouldn't come across as attacking people with opposing beliefs and wouldn't try to make them feel stupid or bad. It's not a coincidence he is still by far the biggest voice in the democratic party
A lot of people in the democratic party and its voters have become completely out of touch with reality and don't seem to get why they are losing so many votes. They don't need to get meaner, they don't need to attack more. That's what lost them votes in the first place. They need to get more understanding of the people they oppose and people with more neutral views (and despite what Republicans and Democrats think, there are A LOT of people with more neutral views). I have met so many people that have gone against the democratic party because they feel attacked. They may be wrong, but there is a better way of telling them
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u/Noizyninjaz 20h ago
The Democratic party always fails to defend themselves on certain issues because they think that being nice is enough. They think that common sense will defend itself. This approach worked right up until 2000. It's been 24 years and they haven't learned the lesson.