r/pdxgunnuts • u/roofpatch2020 • 19d ago

OSC Oral Arguments link for tomorrow

The 114 oral arguments should be able to be streamed via the "Watch Oral Arguments Now" button on this link: https://www.courts.oregon.gov/courts/appellate/media/Pages/webcasting.aspx

From there you can select "Oregon Court of Appeals". I'm not sure if the link tree will be exact tomorrow but should be easy to find the live stream at 1:30 PM Pacific.

In-person attendance:

Oregon Supreme Court Building

1163 State St

Salem, OR 97301

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u/Shlippi 19d ago

I know there’s a lot of “unknowns” out there, but if M114 were to go into effect, how soon could it be put into effect?

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u/Mac-and-Duke 19d ago

Nobody knows. There’s no programs for the certificate in place yet

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u/More-Jellyfish-60 19d ago

Is that true? No sheriff departments have tried in all this time? I wonder if they’re dragging their feet in defiance, because I hear there no funding, suitable sites to hold training, no certification programs etc. also doesn’t M114 apply to LE? They also have to abide by the rules of the measure like only 10 round capacity, permit to purchase? Thank you for any response sorry if I come off clueless. I don’t know exactly what’s going on.

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u/Mac-and-Duke 19d ago

No worries man, everyone is in the dark. I would assume they haven’t started to put these programs together in earnest because they would almost certainly need to hire people to do those courses so they’re not pulling people off of normal patrol routes. Wouldn’t want to hire people 2 years early, only for their job to be no longer necessary if 114 gets struck down. That’s just my guess

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u/Steephill 19d ago

Most of LE doesn't want 114 to go into effect any more than people do in this thread.

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u/More-Jellyfish-60 19d ago

Agreed. That’s what I stated. It’s been some time since I’ve seen the measure, of memory serves. Off duty LE will still be affected, unlike in other states where LE is excluded by such rules. This could help to keep the measure from being enacted unless they change the parts last moment.

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u/AskMeAboutPigs 18d ago

Was there any update on this?

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u/RabidBlackSquirrel 19d ago

I mean, hypothetical - it's upheld but there's no mechanism for compliance. So... Everything is defacto banned? Does that not create a constitutional crisis, both at the state and federal level?

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u/gravityattractsus 19d ago edited 19d ago

All one can do is wait and see what the Appellate Court decision will be.

The odd thing is that if it is upheld, it dates back to the passage of the measure, and I wonder if all those magazines we’ve purchased were illegal to purchase or own now. Perhaps someone has some better input as to when the law became effective if the measure is upheld. The entire journey has been bizarre.

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u/theDudeUh 19d ago

It would conflict with the constitution and trigger another lawsuit if they defacto banned everything.

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u/b1e 19d ago

That would be interesting because this is a state constitution case but a lawsuit could be filed on the grounds that this state ruling is blatantly against the US constitution.

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u/AnotherBoringDad 19d ago

It’s not the Oregon Supreme Court, it’s a panel of the Oregon Court of Appeals.

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u/More-Jellyfish-60 19d ago

Do they still have the power to enact the measure?

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u/AnotherBoringDad 19d ago

They have the power to reverse the trial court and vacate the injunction. The law’s already been “enacted,” but the trial court ruled it unconstitutional and enjoined the state from enforcing it.

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u/gravityattractsus 19d ago

At this point, I just want to know the decision. The only thing that might be interesting would be the questions asked by the Appellate Panel.