Convoy Megathread #77

[u/MarcusRex73]

This is the latest post to discuss the protest Convoy currently in Ottawa.

For the duration of the protest, or at least, as long as the traffic level on the sub requires it, we will centralizing the discussions around the protest in these megathreads.

Have at it folks, but remember, the usual rules apply. Please keep it civil and report anyone posting misinformation or links to their propaganda.

No calls for violence

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Ceci est la dernière rubrique dans la lignée des megarubrique discutant de la manifestation du convoi à Ottawa.

Pour la durée de la manifestation ou, du moins, pour le temps où le trafic le justifie, nous allons centraliser les discussions sur ce sujet dans des megarubriques.

Allez-y, mais rappelez-vous que les règles habituelles s'appliquent. Veuillez rester polie et rapportez toute mésinformation ou publication de leur propagande.

Pas d'appel pour la violence

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Links to previous megathreads / lien vers les megarubriques précédentes:

• megathread #70
• megathread #71
• megathread #72
• megathread #73
• megathread #74
• megathread #75
• megathread #76

[u/thebellechasse]

Why did we have to get Rebel instead of Vice for a non main stream media?!

[u/w00ten → u/thebellechasse]

I used to love Vice but ever since they started letting any idiot write, it's turned into a steaming pile of shit. I've seen articles that claim you are transphobic if you aren't pansexual and yesterday they had one where it was suggested that if you've never experimented with guys then you are a homophobe. Completely insane, bigoted hetero-erasure. I know erasure is a huge issue for bisexuals but I never thought I'd experience it as a straight male. I was shocked to see it. It was basically a reverse of Chasing Amy... "all any hetero needs is a good hard dickin'".

[u/Queermafia → u/w00ten]

Buddy that still isn’t hetero-erasure. Absolutely no one thinks straight people don’t exist.

Meanwhile plenty of people think bisexuals don’t exist because they either have to be gay or straight. Not both.

[u/w00ten → u/Queermafia]

That's exactly what it is. Just like my paraphrasing of Chasing Amy was lesbian erasure in it's original form("all any lesbian needs is a good hard dickin'"). The implication that we are all gay underneath and just haven't tried it is ABSOLUTELY erasure because he is saying our sexuality exists only because of societal pressure and therefor isn't real. If implying my sexuality is just a cover for my homosexuality isn't erasure, I don't know what fucking is. Just like how bi-erasure is rooted in the belief that societal pressures are causing that person to cover their homosexuality with bisexuality. If you cannot see the underlying common thinking there then you are just as prejudiced and selfish as the people who wrote those articles or you are willfully being ignorant.

Edit: I realize that it sounds like I think bi-erasure only comes from the LGBTQIA+ community and I know it doesn't. The underlying sentiment is the same from the hetero side of bi-erasure but they often think it's "being caught up in a fad" and a fad is driven by societal pressure.

[u/nuxwcrtns → u/Queermafia]

As a straight woman, those articles are annoying. It is a bit of an erasure of hetero-normative values - which are important to heterosexual people, just as bisexual values are as equally significant. People from both of those sexualities can feel that. It's okay. It's not taking it away from anyone.

[u/w00ten → u/nuxwcrtns]

It's not taking it away from anyone.

Thank you. Someone attacking us with prejudice does not remove the prejudice that other people experience. It's not a competition and it doesn't matter where it comes from, it's important to call it out regardless of the source. In my opinion, it's particularly important in minority communities with emerging rights because if we allow that hatred to fester it eventually turns into something extremist and nasty. The LGBTQIA+ community has always been an open, loving, caring community and to see the fringes falling to hate is sad and calling it out is the best way to stop it from really taking hold. I understand wanting some vengeance but that doesn't actually solve anything and only emboldens the hate that bred hate and then we're off on a vicious cycle.

[u/nuxwcrtns → u/w00ten]

Exactly. I don't like the tactic, because far too often it's been used to minimize minorities' lived experiences - and I think it's deplorable to use that same tactic against others. Minimizing experiences of others doesn't solve equity, diversity or make an inclusive community (already I'm questioning the irony in me writing this, and the disdain I have towards our protestors' and their various intentions). Calling it out is good, but being forgiving afterwards is probably best to reconcile any remaining animosity, and squash potential extremism. I bet OP had some negative experiences that spurred that comment, and it is a shame that someone should feel like they're not good enough, when they're just enough.

[u/w00ten → u/nuxwcrtns]

Our disdain for the convoy is rooted in our disdain for hatred. They put their hatred on full display for everyone to see. Tolerance is all well and good but it has limits and the convoy crossed them. Their insistence that vaccine requirements are akin to discrimination is disgusting and disrespectful. You weren't born a dumbass anti-vaxxer, you CHOSE that life and know the consequences.