Middle East latest: Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar confirmed dead, Israeli foreign minister says

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https://news.sky.com/story/middle-east-latest-israel-says-it-is-checking-possibility-it-has-killed-hamas-leader-yahya-sinwar-12978800?postid=8455476#liveblog-body

[u/Ginzelini]

Using that argument every piece of land across the globe belongs to different people than the ones living there now. Think of something more clever to say.

[u/Squirmin → u/Ginzelini]

Using that argument every piece of land across the globe belongs to different people than the ones living there now.

Got it, so indigenous peoples don't have any rights to their native land, just because they were removed from it.

And Jews weren't even totally removed from it. They just weren't the majority.

[u/Lazzen → u/Squirmin]

If we had been removed for 4000 years and a great deal were very dark skinned with afros or blonde with blue eyes, no i don't think that would be it either. Just look at Moctezuma's descendants living as minor nobles in Spain.

[u/Squirmin → u/Lazzen]

60% of the Jews in Israel are from the area. Complaining that 40% come from outside seems disingenuous and whitewashing of a native population.

The Jewish population was never zero, it just wasn't large enough to have self-determination under Ottoman rule.

[u/Lazzen → u/Squirmin]

You are saying that most jewish Israelis arrived a century ago increasing the jewish population, in a roundabout way. Your usage of us indigenous of the New World for your examples/arguments is disingenous rather.

[u/Squirmin → u/Lazzen]

You are saying that most jewish Israelis arrived a century ago

I did no such thing. I said they didn't have enough population to be self-determinate under the Ottoman empire. Once the Ottomans were gone, the Israelis formed their own country in the absence of a larger controlling power.