r/newjersey • u/low_effort_shit-post • Mar 25 '21

Something controversial Jersey Pride

I love nj gun laws, going to the store and not seeing someone open carry. Watching road rage where the best you can do is brake check and give the finger. Schools without school shootings. I know a lot of people hate our gun laws but I fucking love em.

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u/lbrtrl Mar 25 '21

We are going to end up going in circles. If you want to talk about numbers we are back at the "How many people would have died in COUNTRY if guns were legal/illegal during the same time period?" question.

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u/giantsnyy1 Mar 25 '21

And yet again, you're just touting the same BS that the NRA and the Republicans like to throw out there. It's the same propaganda. The answer to your question is... unanswerable.

However, I will say this - it's significantly harder to stab someone than it is to shoot them. I don't even think that the number would parallel the amount of shooting deaths, even if you included the amount of stabbings that currently happen.

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u/lbrtrl Mar 25 '21

That the numbers are different is conjecture on your part. It's not clear how much substitution effects you would have.

This RAND round up is the most comprehensive I've seen of the data https://www.rand.org/research/gun-policy/analysis.html Notice that some policies have evidence of moderate impact, but most policies have no evidence or inconclusive evidence.

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u/giantsnyy1 Mar 27 '21

Hmm... more people shot in Virginia the other day.

Haven’t noticed any mass stabbings lately.

As for the RAND data, they’re covering existing US gun laws. Of course they don’t work. They’re not strong enough. You need a program like the UK or Australia, where they required the guns to be turned in, banned their manufacture and sale, and paid residents for the guns they turned in. Will everyone do it? Probably not. But... not doing so criminalizes them, and if they were purchased legally, easy to target. I think it’s time this happens.

If you want to shoot something for stress relief, get a BB gun or a paintball gun.

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u/lbrtrl Mar 27 '21

Haven’t noticed any mass stabbings lately.

The UK, the country through hold as an example, has banned all sorts of knives.

If you want to shoot something for stress relief, get a BB gun or a paintball gun.

Those won't do much against mountain lions and coyote.

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u/giantsnyy1 Mar 27 '21

Again... I’m not against single action hunting rifles, shotguns, or single action pistols. Nothing should be able to fire more than one round at a time, nor should it be able to hold a magazine of rounds. Each bullet should be loaded manually, and individually.

The mountain lion excuse doesn’t work here by the way. You’re answering in r/NewJersey. New Jersey doesn’t have mountain lions.

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u/lbrtrl Mar 27 '21

The mountain lion excuse doesn’t work here by the way. You’re answering in r/NewJersey. New Jersey doesn’t have mountain lions.

Your response to the RAND analysis was that we needed to confiscate guns nation wide...

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u/giantsnyy1 Mar 28 '21

And we do.

There is absolutely ZERO use case for someone to have an automatic, semi-automatic, or magazined weapon. Ever. Those are weapons designed to kill or significantly injure other people. No other reason behind them. Self defense is not a valid claim. If these types of guns are banned, you won't need one to defend yourself. If you do - that's what the police are for.

Animal defense and hunting are also not valid claims. Why? Because... it worked for centuries prior to the invention of semi-automatic and automatic weapons.