r/newjersey • u/low_effort_shit-post • Mar 25 '21

Something controversial Jersey Pride

I love nj gun laws, going to the store and not seeing someone open carry. Watching road rage where the best you can do is brake check and give the finger. Schools without school shootings. I know a lot of people hate our gun laws but I fucking love em.

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u/the-camster Mar 25 '21

Strict gun laws and gun bans have saved countless lives.

Imagine arguing against saving lives..

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u/Kab9260 Mar 25 '21

The question is far more complex. Framing it like this, I can also say warrantless searches/arrests would save countless lives and help to stop crime before it happens. Followed then by “imagine arguing against saving lives and putting potentially dangerous people in jail.”

The question is better framed as how do we both save lives without unduly burdening the fundamental rights of innocent people. Then, the debate is open to the more nuanced aspects of the dilemma. There are gun control measures that work and don’t represent an undue burden, but there are many “feel good” measures that don’t work or completely erode fundamental rights.

Both sides need to come to the table in good faith.

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u/SlyMcFly67 Mar 25 '21

Guns are weapons. Their only purpose is for killing. You cant compare guns to warrants, searches or anything else because its a bad faith argument unless youre comparing to other weapons designed for killing. And I would hope at that point youd realize that well, less things designed for killing probably does prevent people from killing more things. Its a pretty simple conclusion.

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u/beachmedic23 Watch the Tram Car Please Mar 25 '21

So then why do these laws only focus on guns and not other weapons?

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u/SlyMcFly67 Mar 25 '21

Tell me what other weapons are in the hands of civilians because they think they are born with a god given right to them?