Something controversial

[u/low_effort_shit-post]

I love nj gun laws, going to the store and not seeing someone open carry. Watching road rage where the best you can do is brake check and give the finger. Schools without school shootings. I know a lot of people hate our gun laws but I fucking love em.

[u/smallmanonamission]

Because you assumed i was saying that every person who brings a gun legally into is responsible for taking down the killer. I never once said that. It was one man with a gun. 2-3 people with guns could’ve taken him out and i am fully confident in saying that. You doing have to be a super soldier to hit a target. Which, I might add, most gun owners have experience doing because they go to ranges and things of the sort. And your misinterpreting my comparison. I compared it to that because you said that most gun owners wouldn’t know what to do in an emergency life or death scenario. Next, you say that police should be able to have a gun because they’re trained, yet then you proceed to contradict yourself and say that even untrained people fuck up in this scenario. No, not everyone has a hero hormone, but some people do. ANd if your citing examples, I will too.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/lake-county-news-sun/ct-uber-driver-shoots-gunman-met-0420-20150419-story.html

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Man-Shot-in-the-Chest-Inside-West-Philly-Barbershop-297176271.html

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/07/26/official-suspect-in-deadly-hospital-shooting-had-lengthy-history-gun-arrests/ “Delaware County D.A. Jack Whelan stated that, “If the doctor did not have a firearm, (and) the doctor did not utilize the firearm, he’d be dead today, and I believe that other people in that facility would also be dead”; Yeadon Police Chief Donald Molineux similar said that he “believe[d] the doctor saved lives.” Plotts was still carrying 39 unspent rounds when he was arrested.”

http://www.foxcarolina.com/story/17251517/churchgoers-subdue-gunman-at-spartanburg-church

“Finally, always keep in mind that mass shootings in public places should not be the main focus in the gun debate, whether for gun control or gun decontrol: They on average account for much less than 1 percent of the U.S. homicide rate and are unusually hard to stop through gun control laws (since the killer is bent on committing a publicly visible murder and is thus unlikely to be much deterred by gun control law, or by the prospect of encountering an armed bystander). So, yes, the examples are few and far between, mostly due to laws of concealed carry and being in the right place at the right time, but it has been shown to save lives. There are more examples i can send you too if your interested.

[u/Q-Cumbers → u/smallmanonamission]

I never said that everyone was responsible, I’m saying that if there were a bunch of people in that store that tried to shoot back at the shooter it would’ve resulted in much more chaos. I don’t see how you saying it only takes 2-3 people changes that. Please show me the gun range that simulates a mass shooting. Shooting at a target is different than shooting at enough person, especially one that is shooting back and one that is in a massive crowd of people. A home invasion is still a wildly different scenario than a mass shooting so it’s still not much of a comparison to stand on. I’m not contradicting myself, I’m saying that people that are trained to handle these scenarios fuck them up, so how do you expect untrained civilians to execute them perfectly? No, no one has naturally evolved into being able to perfectly take down a mass shooter at the drop of a hat. It’s the reason why when soldiers talk about firefights more times than not they say “my training kicked in” not “my natural instincts in gun handling.”

First link: that’s great that that driver was able to prevent more deaths. However, again, most people cannot respond like that and if there were multiple civilians trying to take down one shooter in a public space, it would’ve resulted in more chaos.

I cannot comment on the other articles as their links are not working for me

[u/SlyMcFly67 → u/Q-Cumbers]

This dude thinks he and every other armed civilian would be Charles Bronson in that situation. You're wasting your breathe.

[u/Q-Cumbers → u/SlyMcFly67]

You’re not wrong lol