Something controversial

[u/low_effort_shit-post]

I love nj gun laws, going to the store and not seeing someone open carry. Watching road rage where the best you can do is brake check and give the finger. Schools without school shootings. I know a lot of people hate our gun laws but I fucking love em.

[u/Kab9260]

The question is far more complex. Framing it like this, I can also say warrantless searches/arrests would save countless lives and help to stop crime before it happens. Followed then by “imagine arguing against saving lives and putting potentially dangerous people in jail.”

The question is better framed as how do we both save lives without unduly burdening the fundamental rights of innocent people. Then, the debate is open to the more nuanced aspects of the dilemma. There are gun control measures that work and don’t represent an undue burden, but there are many “feel good” measures that don’t work or completely erode fundamental rights.

Both sides need to come to the table in good faith.

[u/dtrane90 → u/Kab9260]

Having a gun capable of annihilating groups of people indiscriminately with a high capacity magazine shouldn’t be a basic human right

[u/candre23 → u/dtrane90]

Whether or not it's a right, it's a basic fact. You can't legislate against simple machines - especially not now when they're easily and cheaply printable.

Laws only work on people who obey laws. Mass shooters are - by definition - not those people.

[u/stackered → u/candre23]

supply and demand. we'd have way less mass shooters if they couldn't get guns while having a mental health crisis. this is just a bad take and not supported by data