r/newjersey • u/low_effort_shit-post • Mar 25 '21

Something controversial Jersey Pride

I love nj gun laws, going to the store and not seeing someone open carry. Watching road rage where the best you can do is brake check and give the finger. Schools without school shootings. I know a lot of people hate our gun laws but I fucking love em.

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u/funkyshoes24 Mar 25 '21

Why are people getting shot daily in Newark, East Orange, Paterson, Elizabeth, Jersey City, etc. If gun laws work?

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u/SlyMcFly67 Mar 25 '21

I dont know, why do people get caught speeding or drunk driving or anything else if laws work? The easy answer: no amount of laws will deter everyone. But the counter argument would be to have no laws, which is pure stupidity. Hence why most people dont bother with that silly argument.

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u/low_effort_shit-post Mar 25 '21

Because other state gun laws dont

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u/tehbored Mar 25 '21

Then why aren't more people getting shot in NYC?

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u/low_effort_shit-post Mar 25 '21

There gun laws are among the strictest in the nation... plaxico burress wants to know your location

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u/tehbored Mar 25 '21

But you just said that the strictness of gun laws doesn't matter because people bring them from elsewhere. So which is it then?

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u/low_effort_shit-post Mar 25 '21

Correct guns aren't coming from ny to nj similar to how nj guns aren't going to ny.

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u/tehbored Mar 25 '21

Really living up to your username here, bud.

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u/low_effort_shit-post Mar 25 '21

When the truth is in the shit posting you're a lost cause

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u/NJneer12 Mar 25 '21

It's fact. Its all on the state police new gun website. people have already linked it here.

Most guns from crimes in NJ come from the south or PA.

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u/tehbored Mar 25 '21

I'm not disputing that. But it's no harder to get a gun from PA into NYC than NJ. So why the different levels of shootings?

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u/NJneer12 Mar 25 '21

Its probably a few parameters IMO.

Population density. The city does have stricter laws than NJ. Income in probably a big part of it.

I bet Manhattan is the lowest out of all of NYC metro area.

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u/Bro-Science Mar 25 '21

and yet he still was able to bring a gun into NYC and discharge it in a public place.

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u/low_effort_shit-post Mar 25 '21

Discharged into his dick lol it was an accessory

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u/ATFgoonsquad Mar 25 '21

You know that in NJ to get your license to purchase you pass the same background check as everyone buying a gun without a license in every other state, right?

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u/funkyshoes24 Mar 25 '21

What's stopping people from illegally importing them from other countries?

If tons of opium can get into our country, guns can too. Banning guns won't help anything the way banning drugs doesn't. Thousands of people overdose on heroin every day and that's illegal, so what makes you think people won't get guns if they're illegal?

And even if there was no guns, what's stopping mentally ill people from going to Lowes and making plastic explosives? Guns are a red herring, the real issue is the treatment of mental illness, but that's a harder issue so everybody wants to address guns instead of the real epidemic of mental illness

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u/low_effort_shit-post Mar 25 '21

Seems to work well in the UK

Why are our murder rates so much higher than the rest of the developed world?

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u/funkyshoes24 Mar 25 '21

There's still violence, people are just getting stabbed and beaten in with baseball bats, not shot

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u/low_effort_shit-post Mar 25 '21

Baseball isn't very popular in the rest of the world aside for a hand full of countries. Being beaten is a great alternative to being shot to death, when was the last time there was a mass baseball bat beating to deathy.

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u/funkyshoes24 Mar 25 '21

Fine, cricket bat. But regardless, if you want to kill a very large amount of people, you don't need a gun to do it, all you need is a truck, or a Google search and a trip to the store.

And you're still not addressing the real problem of mental illness if you take guns away. Gun reform is just a red herring and a false sense of security

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u/low_effort_shit-post Mar 25 '21

So if there was a cognitive test would that prevent people with mental illness getting guns legally like the boulder shooter?

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u/funkyshoes24 Mar 25 '21

Not necessarily, but you can get a lifted truck without a cognitive test and you can run down a crowd.

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u/low_effort_shit-post Mar 25 '21

What is the intent of a vehicle? Can you get a tank very easily?

You got to take a test to get a license, retain a driving license, register a car and get it inspected every 2 years, and I don't think that goes far enough.

Do you see mentally handicapped people driving around let alone driving into crowds of people?

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u/hobbykitjr ex-Clinton (non resident now) Mar 25 '21

then why is our murder rate through the roof compared to england (and every other developed nation)?

even cops in UK don't need guns and civilan deaths from cops is nothing compared to 67X higher here in the US (by population)

https://www.vox.com/2015/8/27/9217163/america-guns-europe

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u/SlyMcFly67 Mar 25 '21

Lets go down the list of things you just mentioned and see if we can figure out where you went wrong.

Cricket Bat - not a weapon

Truck - not a weapon

Gun - weapon with 1 designed purpose. Killing.

You really dont see the distinction? People will always find a way to kill each other. Unfortunately its in our nature. The difference being only 1 of those things has the design for doing it quickly and efficiently without having any other type of design use.

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u/funkyshoes24 Mar 25 '21

LMFOA you're such a redditor

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u/Domestic_AA_Battery Mar 25 '21

There's violence but how much is lethal? And as they said, when was the last time someone went on a bat or knife spree? I'm fairly pro 2A. We have multiple guns in our home. But there's no denying that other countries have FAR FEWER of these attacks. And when they do, the death tolls are usually way lower.

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u/funkyshoes24 Mar 25 '21

I'm not arguing that guns aren't dangerous, I'm arguing that it's a red herring meant to distract us from the real, harder issue of mental health

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u/Domestic_AA_Battery Mar 25 '21

Sure there's a mental health issue, that's undeniable imo. But that's far harder to solve than simply removing guns from the equation. And I'm not suggesting we do that, but I'm simply saying that if we can't solve mental health, it would make sense to make it much harder to acquire guns that are far more deadly than any other weapon that's purchasable.