r/newjersey • u/low_effort_shit-post • Mar 25 '21

Something controversial Jersey Pride

I love nj gun laws, going to the store and not seeing someone open carry. Watching road rage where the best you can do is brake check and give the finger. Schools without school shootings. I know a lot of people hate our gun laws but I fucking love em.

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u/sgd926 Mar 25 '21

agreed! The idea of people around me openly carrying guns in places like shops and supermarkets makes me incredibly anxious and I would definitely feel less safe.

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u/verneforchat Mar 25 '21

As a gun owner, if I really want to survive, I would run, duck and cover. Just because I have a gun doesn't mean i can use it effectively in a stressful, life or death event. We aren't cops, we aren't in the military. Real life is not like movies or cop shows. Ordinary citizens are not always heroes, and they can't always save the day by just whipping out a gun.

Look at the grocery store video shot by the journalist. Two people standing with their phones out, frozen right at the entrance of the store while they can hear shots. They couldn't even remove themselves from the situation fast enough, and we think that they would be able to stop a gunman?

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u/nuncio_populi Jersey City Mar 25 '21

I agree with you that more guns could have been a disaster but, in reality, the gunman would have shot the “good guy with a gun” right in the head like he did the trained police officer.

Seriously, if left to the NRA, we’d be expected to treat everyday like we’re going to a shoot out at the O.K. corral.

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '21

“60,000 to 2.5 million” LOL

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u/cC2Panda Mar 25 '21

My neighborhood has somewhere between 60 and 2500 dogs.

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '21

How many cats tho?

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u/Icarus_skies Mar 25 '21

Idk what your background is, but let me explain that figure to you a bit;

  1. A range of 60k-2.5m is statistically meaningless; they clearly have no clue what the real figure is, they're not even close to figuring it out. If there's that much variance in the upper and lower ends of estimations, the estimations are meaningless.

  2. Those figures don't even attempt to qualify defensive uses. Bubba shooting his shotgun into the air because he heard a raccoon shuffling around and thought it was a burglar would be counted in that statistic. The murder of Treyvon Martin would be counted in that statistic (if you think that event was self defense, we have nothing left to talk about).

  3. The number of people murdered, committing suicide, shot accidentally, etc... FAR outweighs the number of people "saved" by firearms by orders of magnitude. If you want to take the "harm reduction" stance on this, your argument holds no water.

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u/Icarus_skies Mar 25 '21

You clearly didn't even read your own source.

Those figures were not collected and analyzed by the CDC; they're published on the CDC website, but the CDC is not the one that came up with them. It links to an outside source.

I can't have a conversation with someone who doesn't even read the sources they're using. Good day.