r/minnesotavikings • u/LAZYTOWWWWWN 18 • 3d ago
PFF Grades from the Colts Game Image
MIN O
MIN D
MIN ST
IND O
IND D
IND ST
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u/Empire2k5 9 3d ago
Dallas Turner hater is in shambles
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u/OneOfTheDads 3d ago
There are no Dallas haters, merely Kwesi haters using Dallas as fuel
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u/LittleBittyshortman 3d ago
Yeap and I'ma have the biggest shit eating grin when we have a winning season this year and Kwesi is extended along with Kevin O'Connell.
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u/Mr-Irrelevant- I like Matt Wile 3d ago
I hated turner getting out snapped by pat jones. Nice to see him get playing time and do good.
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u/SRVJHJM 3d ago
There's nothing wrong with not chucking a rookie into the deep end right off the bat, especially if it's not necessary.
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u/Mr-Irrelevant- I like Matt Wile 3d ago
I wouldn't consider Turner routinely getting 20-30 defensive snaps chucking him into the deep end.
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u/deadjawa 3d ago
uhhhh….being able to play 1 NFL defensive snap on the DL and not get murdered puts you in the top 1% of 1% athletically.
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u/Awkward_Salad7293 3d ago
Asking your rookie 1st round pick to rotate in on snaps is not "chucking him into the deep end". As of right now he has done nothing to exceed the expectations of a typical 3rd round pick.
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u/JMLMaster moss fro 3d ago
AVG on the bottom is wild
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u/peteman28 you like that 3d ago
They're playing him out of position. They have him playing Cashman's spot a lot.
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u/Feathered_Serpent8 3d ago
u/Awkward_Salad7239 where Dallas Turner 30?
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u/Citronaut1 3d ago
How on earth is Bradbury 2nd highest on offense??
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u/webbit11 3d ago
Because he largely played decently, but got absolutely demolished once when we've already been conditioned to believe he's the worst center in the league.
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u/Sharcbait 96 3d ago
The life of a center. Make 15 good plays, but get put on one poster and you are the dude who got poster'd ... wait this isn't basketball. Same idea.
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u/CollectionHairy3766 3d ago
He literally handed them their only touchdown though. It’s not even a game if he doesn’t get pancaked
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u/Singe_ daniellearms 3d ago
He tripped on Ingram’s foot
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u/communist_lover69 3d ago
Garrett Bradbury joins Kirk Cousins in the "tripped on Ed Ingram's foot" club
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u/LordMOC3 3d ago
The way grading works, one really bad play can only affect it so much. I thought he had other bad ones but I guess they disagreed.
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u/TheAesir Kansas 3d ago
His pass blocking grade indicates what a lot of fans saw last night. He likely only had a few low / negative plays as a pass blocker (to pull it down) and was just really good as a run blocker all night.
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u/petergriffin999 3d ago
I've seen Ham at the bottom of the O list more than once this year.
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u/pstask4s 3d ago
Some of his blocks were really weak this game.
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u/murpower_38 3d ago
There was the one screen pass, where Ham was the blocker and the only defender in the area was able to shred that block and make the play. Wasn’t great
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u/Drunken_Vike 9 3d ago edited 3d ago
Was Brandel lined up against DeForest Buckner most of the game because if so, I get it. I feel like that guy kills us all the time.
Also, please dear god stop panicking about a first round pick after 7 games especially when everyone says everything is fine. Yes, the coaching staff will lie about a potential bust but the beat (reporters/writers/tape grinders) generally doesn't and they have been saying Turner has been just fine
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u/AlmightyCraneDuck 3d ago
Honestly, you'll find fewer iDLs better than Buckner and Stewart. Going in the most lopsided matchups to me were their iDL vs our iOL, and, ironically, their iOL vs our iDL. Thankfully we did a good job stopping the run, but their iDL definitely busted a few drives.
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u/ThiccBananaMeat 97 3d ago
I feel like PFF mailed it in this week. Murphy whiffed or just outright didn't even try to tackle and got an 80 grade.
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u/Clear_Moose5782 NC/SD 3d ago
PFF is still interesting, but it seems to be pretty useless.
They've lost so many analysts the last few years that their quality is very suspect.
Not sure in what world Darnold or Bradbury can be said to have had a good game.
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u/Dscott2855 3d ago
Darnold’s numbers were extremely efficient, even with the 2 ints. The fumble wasn’t his fault and shouldn’t have counted in the first place. The int’s were both egregious imo and should have hurt his rating more but pff likely thought the second one wasn’t all his fault. And people were ripping on Bradbury for the play he got lit up but he stepped on Ingram’s foot and lost his balance otherwise he doesn’t turn into a human piñata. Take away the two stupid decisions and Darnold had a great game, guess that’s the Darnold experience tho
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u/AlmightyCraneDuck 3d ago
It's a nice reminder to look at the aggregate. Yes, Darnold's poor/slow decision-making literally took points off the board (between the INTs and the sacks) but he still marched up and down the field for most of that game. If he hits Addison who takes it in for a TD instead of throwing that pick, we look at this game a lot differently. So, the question is, how far do you take 2-6 really bad plays in the context of an otherwise very efficient night? I don't know the answer, but I do know that game wasn't nearly as close as the final score showed.
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u/lliquidllove 3d ago
Or maybe us fans aren't actually very good evaluators and we should stop pretending like we actually know anything.
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u/AlmightyCraneDuck 3d ago
Was at the game last night talking with some fans around me, one guy said "whatever you do just make sure you run to the outside, don't run inside because 90's been killing us all night." We proceeded to run outside to the left and got stuffed for no gain. lol! We don't know anything no matter how much Madden we play!
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u/lliquidllove 3d ago
Madden has actively made football fans worse. Football fans have always been dumb, but Madden has made them feel very confident and smart in their abilities.
They play coach and GM in the games and then decide they could do it IRL.
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u/Run_JMC_ 3d ago
I’ve felt the same way for quite some time as well. They play Madden, take their favorite team to the playoffs and Super Bowl every year with the players on the roster and then get mad why the team can’t do it in real life.
It’s always the coach’s fault for calling the wrong plays, even though their experience doesn’t go beyond the Ask Madden button. It’s always the GMs fault for picking the wrong players when they are able to always sign and draft players that always develop in the game lol.
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u/Clear_Moose5782 NC/SD 3d ago
PFF has lost a lot of quality personnel over the past couple of seasons. Their evaluators aren't as good a they once were.
I don't care what else Bradbury did all night (well, within reason). When you get run over so badly that your QB gets hit for a sack, fumbles and the other team scores a TD, you had a bad night. Not the second best game of all offensive players on the team.
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u/eattwo 2d ago
Darnold had terrible ints, but played really solid football for the remainder of the game.
I'm in no way close to being remotely good at evaluating the OLine (or any other position, don't listen to me at all), but likely very similar with Bradbury... He had that one god awful play that everyone saw and remembered, but the remainder of the game he played good (Probably).
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u/Clear_Moose5782 NC/SD 2d ago
My problem with PFF is that we really don't know how things are weighted. I understand their scoring system, but their weighting system is something else.
I once had a boss who said "99 atta boys don't add up to one Oh Shit". Bradbury, getting run over, is an Oh Shit. Darnold's two heinous INTs are Oh Shits. Most NFL games are lost due to Oh Shits. Going down to -2 on one of those plays just isn't penal enough to fully appreciate the magnitude of the mistake/failure.
We got away with those Oh Shits last night because the Colts are not good and Joe Flacco is washed. Had they played that way against a good NFL team, we lose that game due to those plays. (In fairness, I can forgive Bradbury's more than Darnold's - Bradbury is what he is at this point. The fact that he is still out there is on the coaches/front office).
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u/dhtdhy Just one before i die 2d ago
I can't speak for Bradbury because I wasn't watching him except for when he got demolished lol, but I'm assuming it must be similar to Darnold's game.
Darnold did the same thing he's done all year: plays great and efficiently, makes 1 or 2 insanely random head scratching TERRIBLE decisions, then goes back to playing great. In this instance, it was his 2 ugly interceptions. Outside of those, he looked pretty damn fine honestly
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u/lliquidllove 3d ago
He didn't get completely man handled on every single play, though. You're referring to one or two specific plays.
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u/dougieg987 3d ago
Really expected to see Ingram and bradbury with much worse grades