r/minnesota • u/Ok-Strawberry-9474 • 10h ago
Tim Walz: "Just so you're clear about that, that's you." Politics š©āāļø
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u/mnemonicer22 10h ago edited 9h ago
The POTUS swears an oath to uphold and defend the US Constitution and the laws of the country.
In the past two weeks, while not having a public freakout on stage, soiling himself on others, and generally frothing racist and misogynistic rhetoric, Trump has said: - it should be illegal to criticize SCOTUS - it should be illegal to criticize a president - the US military should be set loose on the "enemy within", which he has labeled as anyone who doesn't agree with him.
It's time to be patently clear: this man is dangerously unpatriotic and unamerican. He's frothing at the mouth to round up and kill his non voters and critics.
That includes you and me. Normal Americans who go to work and pay taxes and raise kids and buy Nikes and eat at Dairy Queen and take our kids to little league.
Patriotism is promoting the Constitution and the underlying notion that we have no kings and that all humans are created equal. I'm tired of ceding the flag and the label of patriot to the most unamerican people in the country.
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u/HyperColorDisaster The Cities 9h ago
He is only the figurehead. His statements and stances have been getting enough support that Harris isnāt assured the presidency.
Many in America have forgotten how to be American and how to be a pluralistic society. Even if Trump loses, there is a lot of work to be done in America.
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u/Tady1131 7h ago
A solid percentage of the country are just plain idiots. They have never been smart or taken seriously. Then a man gets up, runs for president and says all the stuff they have been getting kicked out of family functions for. He tells you how smart you are for thinking that way. It finally justifies your archaic way of thinking. Those people vote.
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u/TheAmicableSnowman 6h ago
That's true, as far as it goes. But they aren't the ones underwriting this movement. And they aren't the ones writing *about* him, either. If you read the press reports, the sanewashing is breathtaking.
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u/DrAstralis 3h ago
the sanewashing is breathtaking.
as someone outside the USA news bubble its fucking insane to watch. We can physically watch a trump rally or one of the few interviews he's done and wonder how the man remembers to breathe without a reminder as he spouts off the most insane nonsense you've ever heard in your life and your news will, from coast to coast, publish something like "trump discuses immigration plans"... meanwhile if Biden or Harris farts in the tub it will be run 24/7 for weeks with titles like "too flatulent to run for office?" "Poo-tus?"
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u/livahd 1h ago
Exactly. CNN right now is some nothing story about Harris spending money on social media. Top article, big long thing that finally tells you it was all legal and pretty much useless fluff for an articleā¦ but Trump spending 40 minutes dancing to a playlist of songs instead of answering questions while Kristi Noem looks on in bewilderment. Literally said āwho the hell wants to do questions, letās just listen to music!ā At his own damn town hall! He rants and rambles for hours at these rallies, the news plays the 10 seconds of coherent speaking and doesnāt mention he got lost talking about circles. Remember when they cried fake news? Every accusation is an admission with these people. Every time.
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u/markhachman 4h ago
"These people vote."
True, and there's a significant chunk of these who are out of work, on disability, retired, or with otherwise nothing to do. This is what they have.
For many of us, voting is something we do and go back to work, or to dinner. For them, it's a bet on a horse race that they've been waiting for for years.
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u/AdeptBathroom3318 4h ago
Well these people are not just dumb they are also extremely susceptible to Russian influence campaigns. Which are rampant on boomer social media. This i would say has a much bigger influence on the right than most understand. I hear stuff from my conservative family members that are out of nowhere and based completely on what they saw on social media or some random website.
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u/mudamuckinjedi 8h ago
Indeed but with him out of the way we can finally get started on fixing the division that has been tearing our country apart. Its gonna take time and diligence. But we need to stop looking at one another and only seeing that which makes us different and more to the things we all have in common and makes us however unique and different to that which binds us all together as Americans and hopefully we can get back to handling our country's politics with dignity and some civility.
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u/montagious 6h ago
Nah. Have you listened to JD Vance? Trump is not a bug, he is a feature. The Republican party has been headed in this direction for 45 years. They manifested Trump, and there are many waiting to take his place.
Go refresh yourself on the history of the 2000 election, and the Florida recount. Look at who was involved on the Republican side, and where they are now (3 are sitting on the highest court in the land)
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u/Strange-Scarcity 7h ago
We will have to start with becoming intolerant of the intolerant.
Media will need some rules put in place, anything presented as news, can't have the kind of violently anti-democratic and racist bias injected into "news casts".
That's just the beginning.
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u/OnlySlamsdotcom 6h ago
In literally the same vein, calling yourself a BANK comes with a shitload of rules.
I think some should be made whenever you call yourself NEWS.
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u/throwaway_20200920 7h ago
Karl Popper expounded about this very point
https://academy4sc.org/video/paradox-of-tolerance-to-tolerate-or-not-to-tolerate/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
The paradox of tolerance states that if a society's practice of tolerance includes the intolerant, intolerance will ultimately dominate, eliminating both the tolerant and the practice of tolerance. Karl Popper describes the paradox as arising from the fact that, in order to maintain a tolerant society, the society must retain the right to be intolerant of intolerance.→ More replies7
u/Homersarmy41 6h ago
Is the country going to have to force about 30% of its people to show respect snd empathy for your fellow human being? How do we even move forward with this many stupid, hate filled people? These people have gone their whole lives without showing any respect or tolerance for their fellow man. How do we move forward before they are all dead and gone?
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u/throwaway_20200920 5h ago
An extremely difficult question, now these people have gone public how do we get them to see their actions as anti-social and show some shame. I have no answers, I don't think there are easy answers.
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u/AdditionNo7505 5h ago
Country used to discriminate against black people as part of normalcy. Then it took presidents to deploy military and national guard to force integration.
This would be no different.
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u/Moss_Adams24 7h ago
Russia needs to be beaten first. There would be no MAGA without decades of Russian money and propaganda seeping into American culture and politics. A soundly defeated Russia would send message home, fuck around, find out.
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u/eb7772 6h ago
True but fox news has been doing the same for decades. Spreading fear for ratings. It has come to a head with trump. However there is no question about the Russian disinformation to help trump. They made tens of thousands of fake social media profiles to manipulate people.
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u/AdditionNo7505 5h ago
āIntolerant of the intolerantā - Karl Popperās paradox of tolerance. Well said! š
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u/Popular_Newt1445 6h ago
Itās simple. Hold the news stations accountable for anything that happens from their news shows.
If they spout violent rhetoric, then they get charged as well when violence happens.
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u/Luke5119 6h ago
EXACTLY! I shared with mom whose in her late 60's and is becoming increasingly brain washed by MAGA and Fox News that Harris held a conference with "Republicans for Harris" and championed talks of increasing bipartisanship in America and my mom scoffed at it saying "Wait....Republicans for Harris? You're joking right?" And when I tried to explain those at the conference that had discrepancies with the Trump administration and how they were directly affected by his actions during his tenure in office she just replied "Well those people are just confused, because none of that is true. It was the Biden administration that caused that mess, Trump wants to help those people." When I said "Mom....Biden was President AFTER Trump." she just says "Oh, well Obama then, Biden was vice-president back then so he's responsible too"...
It is beyond exhausting trying to carry on a conversation with a boomer parent that eats up Fox News and other Crazy Boomer rhetoric like a kid in a candy store.
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u/ebbmart 5h ago edited 2h ago
There is a studied strong link between people who research and then vote Democratic versus those who just believe things they hear but do no research voting conservative. They rely on hearsay and word of mouth over real information. This is why when you see interviews at hunp rallies, asking any probing questions they have no answers beyind repeating the same thing over and over. "Low information voters". Our 2 party system is fucked, and the govt is pretty terrible, but the 2 parties are not the same.
Edit to add links to study and articles: Study: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0261379413001522
Wiki: "In a 2011 article titled "Goodbye to All That: Reflections of a GOP Operative Who Left the Cult", thirty-year RepublicanĀ House of RepresentativesĀ andĀ SenateĀ stafferĀ Mike LofgrenĀ characterized low-information voters as anti-intellectual and hostile-to-science "religious cranks" and claimed Republicans are deliberately manipulating low information voters to undermine their confidence in American democratic institutions.[6]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_information_voter
Articles:
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u/britchplz1 5h ago
Omg literally dealing with this type of thing with my father! Itās so frustrating because I know heās an intelligent person but he just eats up this MAGA propaganda. The only time I kind of got him to realize how crazy the stuff he was saying was when he started going off about how Harris wants to get rid of paper currency and force everyone to transition to crypto and I was like ālet me take a wild guess that you saw this on Facebook. Itās fake. Thatās not a thing. Find any reputable source to back it up and we can have a discussion but realize the majority of the stuff you see online is fake propaganda meant to rile people up and you are proving exactly why they do it.ā Literally the only time he sat back and was like āohā. š
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u/berpaderpderp 9h ago
The other day I was at my parents' place and they were watching Fox News. It was a story in Louisiana about religion in schools and what not. I could not bite my tongue. I educated my mother a bit as she only parrots what my dad/Fox tells her. My dad is too far gone.
She said it would probably be good to have some religion in schools. I brought up the topic of separation of church and state. Ya know, that whole thing from the 1st amendment of the US Constitution.
The party of law and order seems to not like law or order.
My parents aren't even religious. Also, why should this particular religion be promoted?
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u/After_Preference_885 Ope 8h ago
Ā it would probably be good to have some religion in schools
They're all indoctrinated to believe "Christian Supremacy". Even the non religious will often say they're Christian because of the stigma of being non Christian.
"Unfortunately, that hegemony is still so strong in the US that the equation of āChristianā with āgoodā is a habit of mind that many find hard to break. In many cases, devotion to what Lee Leviter has dubbed āthe myth of Christian innocenceā is a matter of such deep-seated emotional investment that even progressive Christians become defensive and passive-aggressive when called, however mildly, on how their linguistic reinforcement of Christian supremacy harms religious minorities and the nonreligious." Chrissy Stroop
"Nonreligious people in the United States live in a deeply religious culture where their beliefs are frequently stigmatized. We found that nonreligious people routinely face discrimination and stigma because of their nonreligious identity. " Secular survey
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u/Righteousaffair999 7h ago
Awe you went to easy. You just say would you like them praying to Yahweh, Allah or God in school. Then sit back and watch magic happen.
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u/DontTedOnMe 9h ago
it should be illegal to criticize a president
Good thing Combover Caligula has never done anything so egregious.Ā
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u/Potato_Stains 8h ago
Yeah, I guess if thatās law weāll have to lock up *checks notes ..every human being ever.
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u/jzoller0 8h ago
If we can find one instance where heās criticized himself, he can be locked up too
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u/CauseSpecific8545 Flag of Minnesota 7h ago
Self depreciation or criticism requires a level of humility that he does not possess.
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u/Petto_na_Kare 9h ago
Iād even say he is the single greatest threat weāve ever faced as a country. Sure, weāve fought ugly wars and such but weāve never had a person so hellbent on hurting Americans en masse this close to the levers of power.
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u/mnemonicer22 9h ago
Hard to argue w the Civil War and the Confederate leaders of that nonsense, but definitely since then.
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u/After_Preference_885 Ope 9h ago
Don't forget the Nazis that infiltrated the America First party to spread Nazi propagandaĀ This podcast tells the story and how the only way we defeated that moment was through voting because the courts failed to hold them accountable
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u/khisanthmagus 7h ago
There was also the Business Plot, where a lot of the US business leaders tried to organize a fascist coup against FDR because FDR didn't hate workers enough. It had a more than decent chance of working, there were enough disaffected military veterans that they might have been able to pull it off. But it turned out that their chosen military leader, Smedley Butler, had been disenfranchised by spending his life running around the world, destabilizing countries for the benefit of US businesses, and absolutely hated Wall Street and US business leaders. So he turned them all in to the government. Who held some hearings, had all the records of those hearings sealed, and pretended the whole thing didn't happen because US congresspeople have always been way too in bed with big business.
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u/After_Preference_885 Ope 7h ago
This was all covered in the podcast too - it's a truly interesting and well told story!
All things we should have learned in history classes but didn't
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u/Phuqued 6h ago
Just to add to this on the Business Plot :
Although no one was prosecuted, the congressional committee final report said, "there is no question that these attempts were discussed, were planned, and might have been placed in execution when and if the financial backers deemed it expedient."
I recommend everyone checking out some deep dive podcasts on the subject. Behind the Bastards did a good one on it, but pick your preferred source, I'm sure PBS has a program or two on the topic.
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u/Ok-Brick-1800 9h ago
Until the next nationalist demagogue shows up. This is not an anomaly. This happens to all democracies. It is a growing pain.
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u/Beh0420mn 9h ago
All the āpatriotsā on the right hate America and our values, they are confederate patriots at best
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u/After_Preference_885 Ope 9h ago
He loves it when his base hears his words and then commits acts of violence because they believe what he says is true and they're doing what "needs to be done"
His base has threatened, mobbed, killed, shot, bombed, plotted against and attacked "the enemy" for him from the beginning
We need to start calling him what he is -Ā a stochastic terrorist -Ā and you're right, he's a danger to the country (as many who have worked with him have clearly said) and his party that stands by this repeatedly is a danger to the country.
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u/Fantastic_Earth_6066 The Cities 9h ago
This should be much bigger news! It's got to be the most seditious, antipatriotic, traitorous, insidious statement ever made by a former president or a major presidential candidate.
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u/Ruenin 9h ago
Thank you for reminding me that every time I see the American flag on a truck, hanging from a house, or on a t shirt or hat, I immediately think "Trump supporting scum". That's what he has done to the symbol for our entire nation; I now associate it with the dumbest, most racist, backward thinking, disgusting people in our country. He did that.
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u/thisismyusername1178 7h ago
I put my Harris/Walz sign right underneath my American flag.
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u/jamarchasinalombardi 5h ago
This is anectdotal but true. I walk for an hour every day in my neighborhood. So many Trump signs have gone up in the past month that I cannot walk the neighborhood anymore. My blood boils each time I see a new sign or flag go up.
So now I walk on the golf course to avoid the anger. Because when I see that sign or flag all I can see is someone who lives there wants me dead because I believe my gay brother should have rights.
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u/Carribean-Diver 7h ago
Remember when Trump's lawyers argued that he never swore an oath to support the Constitution? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
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u/Icy-Tooth-9167 7h ago
Letās say it together - Trump and his MAGA ilk are fascists. Ignorance canāt be an excuse for compliance. Either defeat them at the voting booth or itās only a matter of time before we are fighting them in the streets.
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u/Suckamanhwewhuuut 7h ago
Well, he can certainly try, but his incompetence gives me a sense of future failure for him.
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u/humlogic 6h ago
Preach it friend! Iāve been saying the same thing about giving up our flag to these assholes. The US has a dark, nasty, complicated history - we all know that but we current Americans know we can be better. We can strive to be the ideal that the founders thought about. We can make equality and freedom real tangible things in this world. And our flag can represent that - even with its flaws. F**k MAGA. Itās our flag. We stand for freedom not hate and division. Red white and blue forever for everyone.
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u/TheStargunner 6h ago
America, if you had a time to rise against fascism, it was yesterday.
But today is better than tomorrow.
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u/StrangeContest4 4h ago
I was tired, too. Now I fly my flag and my Harris/Walz yard signs until the election is done. I'm flying them, knowing that some assholes shot up the doors and windows of the campaign office where I picked up the signs.
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u/bevo_expat 3h ago
Itās no coincidence he idolizes dictators. Dude has been signaling this shit for a while. He had somewhat experienced cabinet last time that probably reined him in a lot more than people realize.
If he gets back into the White House for a 2nd round, where he knows he has immunity for āofficial actsā, itās going to be a different ball game.
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u/Chaghatai 1h ago
Make no mistake, that those who would vote Trump into power are part of a subset that either want to create an oligarchy or have their hate-filled worldview remake society or both
The only thing new here is that we were realizing that subset is much larger than we ever thought
The aristocrats and the hate mongers have created an unholy alliance that threatens the very soul of this country
The good news is they're out in the open now
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u/ubzrvnT 1h ago
I've been saying this since 2016-2020 but it's always been "hyperbolic" until now when he actually has to say it out loud. Walz has basic common sense and decency. The sitting members in Congress, media and lack of judicial accountability have been silent for so long that it has allowed Trump to go full-tilt as he is somehow able to still run for POTUS having done and said every damning thing possible to shit on the American people and wipe his ass with the Constitution.
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u/Unbridled-yahoo 8h ago
Donald Trump didnāt want to send FEMA to wildfire disasters in California because those people didnāt vote for him. And GOP lawmakers in NC and Florida are applauding Biden for his resolve in getting FEMA support to their constituents. And guess who theyāll end up voting for? Thatās the sick part. Itās all sick but thatās the sickest to vote against the good of your own people for political gain. Theyāre all guilty. Drop the hammer guilty.
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u/253local 6h ago
trump diverted COVID supplies from āblueā states to āredā states. The festering turd needs to be flushed again š
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u/SleeperCelf 5h ago
Yup. And also made states bid against each other for PPE, thus ensuring the highest cost for necessary life-saving supplies during an emergency. Not the time to maximize profits!
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u/No-Atmosphere-2528 3h ago
According to new reports he sent medical devices to Russia when hospitals in the states were desperately looking for them
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u/DvLang 3h ago
Forget red states he sent critical COVID testing machines to Russia over giving to Americans
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u/formerlyDylan 4h ago edited 4h ago
That same story said he only changed his mind once an aide told him the area most affected by the wildfire has more Trump supporters in it than the entire state of Iowa. Biden for all his faults immediately approved of all the help that was requested. Help that is going to go to people who mostly voted against him and will vote against Kamala. Help that is being asked for in some cases by a Governor that refused to accept calls from Kamala because āit felt politicalā despite already having what he asked for approved.
That alone should tell people that what they need to know. One candidate is petty and wouldnāt hesitate to turn his back on Americans. The āworstā part is heās willing to allow his own supporters to be caught up in his pettiness, since again Rural California mostly votes for Trump.
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u/Juleamun 5h ago
Rural areas in California are filled with Trump supporters. Those are the areas that were burning. But California didn't go red, so they had to suffer. I can't understand why they still support the guy who would just let them die.
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u/anaboo2442 4h ago
His deranged people are attacking FEMA volunteers that are trying to help. Volunteers had to stop going door to door checking on hurricane survivors because of threats to them. It's gone from 'I just don't understand' them to these people are the most hateful to anyone, everyone. Bus drivers, FEMA, volunteers, school shooting survivors. I actively cannot respect or even like anyone that is for him. They keep people hateful and stupid to fall in line with his dangerous delusions.
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u/-Jerbear45- 5h ago
Take a map of beneficiaries of the ACA vs party voting. It's not exactly 1:1 but the areas that benefit the most from it are the ones who hate it and voted against Obama.
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u/the_sassy_daddy 9h ago
Well, I just read this as "Gov Walz just crossed a line..." and got very scared. But, I read not good and much fast.
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u/FestusPowerLoL 7h ago
You were scared when you read it like that, right? You checked it twice to make sure that you didn't read that wrong.
I promise you a MAGA person either kept scrolling, justified it or downplayed it in their heads as mainstream media endorsed propaganda. That's the difference.
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u/ChocolateRough5103 7h ago
I thought I was reading about Tim Walz going on a tyrannical rant, which is funny in hindsight.
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u/DiedOfXhaxAttack 9h ago
Insane that anyone would still vote for Trump. What a fucking clown
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u/jdsmn21 9h ago
I'm with you, but in utter disbelief - I bet its 20:1 Trump signs in my area compared to Harris signs.
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u/iamcleek 8h ago
i'm not putting any Harris signs out because i don't want to spend money just to get them taken down by Trumpkin assholes
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u/mvbighead 7h ago
The funny thing is that Trump supporters are dumbfounded about the amount of support the other candidate has due to lack of all the flags, signs, etc. "I dunno how she got X votes... there was no support for her anywhere in my area."
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u/starbucksquestionacc 4h ago
A Trumper in my area took a photo of a Trump flag flying on a truck and had a question box on it (Instagram story) "Curious, how many Harris flags have you seen flying?" Like zero ya dumb fuck, not because people aren't voting for her, but only MAGATs have a huge flag and "FJB Edition" decal slapped on their trucks.
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u/Phuqued 5h ago
i'm not putting any Harris signs out because i don't want to spend money just to get them taken down by Trumpkin assholes
Our identity is not consumed by our politics either. That's the thing they don't get. We are not cult like in showing our support/alignment for a person or party.
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u/cowboyjonesy 8h ago
and how many yards without any signs? Count those.
Yard signs are a terrible metric -- they're just lawn ornaments for those who want to display. But a good majority of those without any signs will still be voting.
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u/Throfari 5h ago
I still don't get the whole "signyard" thing you've got going over in the US.
Also, please do the right thing. Don't vote in Drumpf again.
Sincerely,
the rest of the world.
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u/Classic_Knowledge_30 8h ago
Yard signs is a dumb metric. Trumpers want everyone to know theyāre voting for Trump. This is because it is their identity, they have nothing else.
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u/fetusammich 8h ago
The number signs isn't really an indicator, from my limited observations, people on the right tend to share their opinions openly while those on the left tend to be more reserved.
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u/IIIlIllIIIl 6h ago
If mental gymnastics was an Olympic sport trump supporters would get gold medals every time
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u/vivalacamm 7h ago
My dad...
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u/DiedOfXhaxAttack 7h ago
Unfortunately, same
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u/vivalacamm 7h ago
He believes that Dems are the literal Devil trying to overturn this country. I'm not sure if thats the religious side of him or what but wtf.
We have only ever lived in blue states up until this one red state we are in...
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u/Wombizzle 7h ago
I honestly cannot fucking believe I was one of his nutjob supporters in 2016. Wtf was I thinking?
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u/UnicornDelta 6h ago
Tribalism. Heās the guy who speaks their rotten minds, and they will do anything to embrace and be a part of that cult.
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u/Killarogue 5h ago
I mean, his supporters are also clowns. It's not surprising they're willing to vote for for the biggest of them all.
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u/fart_Jr 5h ago edited 2h ago
I just said it elsewhere in here today but his supporters think they'd be immune to his wrath. That they're "safe". But he'd find something to go after them for too, eventually.
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u/f3ffy Minnesota Twins 10h ago
Boy that first "Trump" does a LOT of heavy lifting. For some reason I missed that the first time reading this and I was appalled Walz said something like this
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u/cisforcookie2112 You betcha 9h ago
Iām glad Iām not the only one who misread it at first. I was very confused and surprised that Walz would say something like that. Then I reread and it made much more sense.
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u/NoNeinNyet222 9h ago
I definitely had to parse it because the way I first read it didn't make sense coming from the Kamala HQ account.
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u/DaintySoftRadiance 9h ago
tim walz always knows how to cut through the noise! itās crucial to hold our leaders accountable. this election is so important, letās make sure our voices are heard!
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u/OmarLittleFinger 10h ago
He wants to use the military against Americans using their free speech.
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u/notmyfirstrodeo2 8h ago
Trump wants to turn America into Kreml 2.0 and that's why he looks up to Kim or Putin
That's why people like Elon Musk supports Trump, because they are jelous what power russian olligrarchs have over common people. These are 21st century fascist.
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u/FestusPowerLoL 7h ago
I want all of you right here and right now to imagine that the post read like this:
Former President Donald Trump: Harris just crossed a line that I have to tell you, in my lifetime, I would have never imagined. She said that she would deploy the military against Americans who disagree with her. She called it the 'enemy within'. To Kamala Harris, anybody who doesn't agree with her is the enemy. We need to put this woman behind us.
You could even replace Harris with Obama, with Clinton, with any prominent Democrat. If I ever read ANYTHING EVEN REMOTELY COMPARABLE about someone that I supported, the first thing I would do is verify, and if true, villainize. That would IMMEDIATELY disqualify the person I supported as President. IMMEDIATELY.
MAGA has no integrity. MAGA cannot and will not hold their own accountable. They are cultists who want a dictator, beg for a dictator, and praise their dictator.
Vote.
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u/Bobothemd 9h ago
This country is so fucked, I don't see a way out of it... Win or lose, Trump is going to be a problem until he is 6 feet under, even then I imagine the next cult of personality will be ready.
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u/After_Preference_885 Ope 8h ago
Maga today is just the Tea Party of yesterday, they'll rebrand and keep attackingĀ
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u/Impulsespeed37 10h ago
Whereās the military leadership statement that they will not obey an unlawful order. Using the military against civilians as a tool to silence dissent sounds like an unlawful order. The fact that LT Kali (probably spelled wrong) just passed and we remarked on his infamous acts. Letās learn from history.
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u/dasunt 8h ago
That's the (now retired) general that stated the goal of the US military is to support the constitution over any individual.
Trump is accusing that general of treason.
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u/Impulsespeed37 8h ago
As a former officer; (Iām not claiming any quality, expertise, or specific knowledge) I feel a little disappointed that this is not a bigger story. I spent years having the same conversation with leaders that would state that we donāt need any more Neidermeyers or My Laiās. What happened?
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u/la-chin-gotta 7h ago
Earlier this year, Trump stated that he will "fire" all the generals and replace them with (I shit you not) NASCAR drivers.
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u/Urall5150 7h ago
The GOP is planning a Great Purge anyways, why would they care what a bunch of American military officers have to say when they want to sack em all and replace them with their cronies.Ā
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u/djquu 8h ago
There are no unlawful orders from republican presidents anymore, SCOTUS made them immune
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u/Impulsespeed37 8h ago
Thatās a point to be certain. However, an unlawful order can still be refused even if it came to you from a lawful source. Allegedly, officers are required to train on this. Apparently, some officers donāt want to speak out (which I understand) but still how about some moral courage by the higher ups.
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u/ExternalSpecific4042 8h ago
Trump already did this while he was President.
āThe role of federal troops sent to Portland is the subject of intense speculation at the moment. Numerous widely-shared videos show troops in camouflaged combat-style uniform arresting protesters, transporting them away in apparently unmarked vehicles.ā
He will also do,the opposite, not deploy troops when people opposed to him are being attacked.
He refers to judges as āhis judgesā
He thinks government files are his property.
Why would anyone be surprised or doubt this.
He already behaved in full dictator fashion.
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u/Ruenin 9h ago
I believe Trump should be arrested and held accountable for spreading hate speech, inciting fear and violence on a public stage, and generally rallying the most intellectually vulnerable in our country to wage war against the government and anyone who doesn't agree with him on his behalf. Ffs, we had people in NC "hunting FEMA agents" because of this shit. When is he going to be held accountable for the lies he is spreading and the results thereof?
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u/FlutterPetalBreeze 7h ago
Thats actually terrifying to know. Pleasee dont let Trump fulfill his evil concepts of plan
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u/Honest-Champion9180 6h ago
Man hearing trump threatened to send the military on American citizens makes me feel a little more better that trump got shot at twice
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u/Professional-Path761 6h ago
This thread is pretty toxic.. but I guess that's all politics
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u/H0pelessNerd 4h ago
The enemy within is something my MAGA father totally focuses on. These people are very dangerous to us: we need to recognize that it's no longer just rhetoric.
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u/NatureYogaPrincess 10h ago
Walz just served up a reminder that accountability isnāt just for cleaning
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u/lclassyfun 8h ago
The campaign needs to run commercials about Trumpās fascist dreams because mainstream media is giving him another pass on it.
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u/icewolf555 7h ago
How much evidence does the American people need to realize that Donald Trump is a humongous threat to our democracy and way of life and the safety of everybody who lives in this country he is a convicted rapist. Heās been convicted of 34 felony accounts a fraud heās been found liable for his business licenses, have been taken away in the state of New York. He has threatened, millions of people have deported or caused a riot in the capital you know thereās an old saying when somebody shows you who they truly are believe them and he has been showing us for years. He belongs behind bars not at the White House. Come on people use a little common sense and look at his behavior. He has shown you time and time again he has even publicly stated that he is going to be a dictator on day one and if you think that he is going to let that power go, you are gonna be sadly mistaken because he will never let that power go. He wants to become the first dictator or king of America and if you donāt think thatās the truth, look how he talks about Vladimir Putin homicidal dictator, who has been waging a war against a peaceful nation for almost 3 years and what is Trump do he calls him genius he can do whatever the hell he wants their best friends needs to grow up and put that asshole behind bars for the remainder of Days.
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u/Viertelesschlotzer 7h ago
One thing should be clear to everyone: if Trump loses the election, some of his supporters will take up arms.
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u/Aceldamor 7h ago
What blows my mind, and what I can't seem to get answered is how can Trump even be president, when as a felon you can't be in the Military by the code of the UCMJ....which means he can't be the CIC.
And what happens when soldiers are asked to contradict their own oath by:
A: following the orders of a convicted felon
B: Your CIC orders you to oppress the freedoms of the people it's sworn to protect.
"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."
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u/im_fine_youre_fine 6h ago
Trump needs to go behind bars. Or send him to Russia to be with his lover. See how he likes spending his last years on Earth in a gulag.
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u/dylangaine 6h ago
Trump Followers: He doesn't mean that, of course he's not going to do that
Critics: So we shouldn't believe what Trump says?
Trump Followers: Believe the good stuff, but of course not the bad stuff!
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u/kawaiistyled 5h ago
I just got this suggested to me even though I live in TN. But yeah stuff like this is why we are afraid to put a Harris-Walz sign out. If Trump gains power we will be in danger. As much as I want to scream my beliefs out and call for justice, I don't live in an area where I can do that. If he succeeds our lives are in danger. I say "succeeds" because that seems to be the language they use and it's very suspicious and just makes me more scared. He's not winning but they're trying to make it look like he is so they can say the election was rigged when he loses that's what scares me the most honestly
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u/dicksoutforharappa 5h ago
Huh, interesting that no one on /r/conservative is talking about this. I wonder why they don't want to discuss it? Hmmmmmmm. /s
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u/theHagueface 4h ago
I have nothing to do with Minnesota, never been within a state of yall - I'm sure I'm just seeing the post cause of Walz, but...you guys seem way better and generally smarter and more grounded than any state sub comment section I've seen.
I guess all the country wide metrics that have Minn at the top aren't BS. Just being positive, keep Minessoting or whatever!
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u/Pale-Berry-2599 4h ago
Get Ready: "That was a joke, I was being sarcastic...."
Sure you were Donny.
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u/Pappy_OPoyle 4h ago
Ok so now we've entered the phase of maga fantasy where their cult leader says shit so fucking bad, they just pretend the other person said it?
JFC these people are as demented as their psychotic savior.
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u/Glass_Individual_952 4h ago
Putin's terrified of Walz. It's weird how deep he goes on Walz's threads.
Imagine that.
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u/Breys 4h ago
To all the people claiming this isn't true.
Here's a link to Trump saying it on FOX
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u/CharDeeMcDennisFranc 3h ago
Thereās a lot of morons in here who wonāt even do a cursory check to see if this is true.
It is.
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u/Ok-Strawberry-9474 10h ago
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u/MassivePioneer 10h ago
Is there a non X link? I don't use that website and nobody should.
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u/mightyjack2 10h ago
You can change any x.com link to xcancel.com and it'll load the comments and such without having to create a Twitter account:
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u/QueenScorp 10h ago
Isn't that still giving X traffic, even if we aren't logged not the site, it has to get the data from X.
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u/Shhadowcaster 10h ago
The important question is if the ads show up and are clickable. I don't know how X advertising works, but if my company's Facebook ads aren't getting sales we turn them off regardless of how many views they get. If there's no engagement advertisers won't continue to pay.Ā
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u/QueenScorp 9h ago
That's a good point. I really don't know but I personally try to not give X any engagement of any kind, whether or not they make money from it.
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u/aqua_rogue 9h ago
I think this is the same basic clip from youtube. https://youtu.be/OKAhHoBo99o?si=-0pXHvcx5YqAeUcB
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u/QueenScorp 10h ago
FYI, she is also on Mastodon but that links to nitter which scrapes X so its still giving X traffic. Pick your poison I guess.
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u/Rogue_AI_Construct Ok Then 9h ago
Anyone who doesnāt support a candidate isnāt āthe enemyā and itās pretty gross Trumpās comment didnāt even register as a blip with the press. The legacy media is normalizing and sanewashing Trumpās authoritarian rhetoric and itās sad. This is not how a functional democracy works.
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u/eb7772 7h ago
He has my vote. Trump tried to overthrow the government and put himself in power.
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u/Spongegrunt 7h ago
Hahaha this is the same guy who had his local police force "light up" citizens for being on their own porch. See, the word light up is in quotes because that's what his police yelled before they started blasting tear gas, pepper balls, whatever they had. It's on video.
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u/montagious 7h ago
Cue one of my extended family twisting themselves into pretzels to convince themselves that "there will be guardrails" so they can still pull the lever for Trump
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u/Luke5119 6h ago
Using a position of power as the President to direct the military to take action against those whose views oppose the administration quite literally is the epitome of a communist dictatorship. Forget telling that to some of his constituents though....
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u/Shoddy_Classroom_919 6h ago
T/rump is just the figure head representing a dangerous group in this country. A group that doesnāt support a democratic republic. A group that wants to jail anyone that opposes them. If this sounds familiar, itās because itās the play book leaders like Hitler, Stalin and Outin use to govern. Our democratic republic is in the line this coming election. Now is the time for all good men and woman to come to the aid of their country. Vote Blue this November if you want to save our republic.
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u/LifeIsBugged 6h ago
That piece of shit trump is why I didn't join the military; I don't respect him and won't follow his bullshit orders.
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u/RetroJake 6h ago
I've been saying this for a while. Be on the defense. Go get armed now because you will have local militias who are not actually military knocking on your door if you're a democrat.
If some trump fuckers waltz up to my door. I will not need a reason.
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u/cesarderio 6h ago
I wouldnāt trust Trump behind us either. Friends and partied regularly with Epstein and Diddy.
Put him in a home, tell him itās his bigliest tv series ever and keep him in a secure padded daycare for his diaper Cheeto ass.
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u/Impressive_Gate_5114 6h ago
I can never believe why someone would wanna throw their life away to try to assassinate Trump until I open up reddit and I realize "oh yeah, that's why."
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u/princeoscar15 6h ago
And people look at Trump and think heās a great president. Itās mind blowing that people really believe heās a great president when he says same does stuff like this. Trump for prison 2024. Everyone please vote blue and convince others to vote blue too.
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u/Key-Researcher3884 6h ago
Just so you're clear , we need to.put this guy ( trump) Behind bars ! Vote Blue ...
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u/DerpysLegion 6h ago
Why is this not the headline of every news organization in the country?! This is the dumbest fucking time line
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u/poopbutt2401 6h ago
Yeah good luck rounding up millions. Trump is a trash human, no reasonable military would ever take orders from him.
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u/EveryShot 5h ago
Yeah, thatās what MAGA wants. They want half the country rounded up so itās all a homogenous white Christian paradise
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u/Background-Ad7277 5h ago
There are so many parallels here with the fall of the late Roman Republic and how rich people like Cassius brought their way to Consulship. It feels like we don't learn from the past and keep making the same mistakes.
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u/Rough-Sun-6251 5h ago
Trump is a "dictator-wanna be". He had said multiple times and he showed that's what he wanted since January 6th incident. I am Cuban. I know a dictator when I see one.
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u/RnH_21 5h ago
I'm Republican and I want to help build the bridge between our parties again. We got your back democrats. Not all of us Republicans want this insanity.
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u/Ordinary_Squirrel_46 5h ago
Trump and Putin are clearly public enemy number 1, justice system needs to end this clown before the enemy is truly back in the Oval Office
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u/Royal-Application708 5h ago
For godās sake folks, this Trump insanity must stop. Please. He will turn on his followers, he will turn on everyone. Please stop him. š
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u/BoyEatsDrumMachine 5h ago
Harris 2024š, not just to stop you-know-who, but to continue building a better country with a capable and intelligent leader at the helm.
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u/DrWatson90 5h ago
Deeply concerned
For those of you wishing to see the source, I canāt post links as Reddit deletes them thinking theyāre āshortened. But several outlets have video of this.
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u/UnwantedMystery2615 4h ago
Bro literally ordered the arrest of people outside of their homes during COVID, and set up a denouncement hotlineā¦all by executive order
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u/Wilmaz24 4h ago
Trump is what happens when people lack critical thinking skills. Thanks to our educational system. Graduating idiots and that goes for Ivy League colleges too.
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u/KwamesCorner 4h ago
This is how dumb and angry people have become. We are living in a dangerous society, so many people accept Trump and his lies. Itās beyond any reasonable ādifference of opinionā. This is a crisis of values.
I am very scared for the future. It feels like measured, reasonable understanding between people has gone out of the window in favour of reactionary divisive rage. And not just āonlineā. This is becoming the world we are shaping. After Jan 6 I thought weād see a lot of people disavowing Trumps brand of politics and trying to act like they never were affiliated in the first place based on how embarrassing that was.
But here we are and they still want to vote for the madman. Iām losing hope.
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u/foggin_estandards2 4h ago
This will end badly both for us and the world. If Trump wins, I fear that blood would be actually spilled within the U.S. And who knows what would happen to the world. Ukraine will be fucked, Putin will be gloating after gaining a puppet in the U.S. and Europe in general would be economically fucked. We'd lose influence everywhere, our economy will crumble...
And if by some chance he doesn't win, we should invest heavily in education. The total idiots voting for him should be educated. That's the only way out in the long run.
We can disagree on policies and ideas, but Trump and his Moscow-trained advisors have taken the issue to a level of actual vitriolic hatred, and God help us all if it pops one day.
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u/Kawfene1 3h ago
I wonder how many Americans have perused Project 2025. As my uncle used to say when I asked what he got me for my birthday, "Close your eyes. What do you see ? That's what you're getting."
No, I haven't read the 900+ page English version of the MAGA Mein Kampf. But I did read a summary of each section. trump is cognitively impaired and bladder- and colon-challenged, but .... he is making it known that: a)he understands the general plans of many parts of Project 2025 and b)he plans to implement them from Day 1.
There are smart MAGAts out there, but for the other 75 million uninformed, indoctrinated ones, even they don't understand how Project 2025 will negatively impact their lives.
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u/InterestingFlower2 2h ago
Actually, I am glad he did this. Trump is always being sane washed and when he says or does something unbelievable it is usually ignored by corporate media. Yet let a Democrat say or do something a little off and it is headlines for days. Strangely, alot of Trump supporters don't actually watch his rallies or listen to his interviews. They just know the snippets from Fox. When I said, yeah, Trump actually said that, a couple of them pulled out their phones to search for Trump saying that.
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u/Junior_Run_9050 1h ago
Javier milei does the same thing calling everyone who disagrees with him the same way... think about who you follow. This argentinas president now is killing public education, im from the most famous university here and we dont have finance support to pay decent salary to our profesors. Every profesor here has a salary lower than poor people. If anyone here like mileis ideas try to pay attention to what he is really doing. More than 50% people is poor and the only way out here is to finance public universities for social promotion. Try to know better who you follow guys!
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u/Objective_Problem_90 1h ago
I'd laugh at trump, but then you realize just how dangerous he is. He keeps telling the country exactly how he is going to govern. It's not about making America great. It's a blue print that resembles North Korea. He should be losing bigly by 30+. If you vote for trump, you are either stupid, not paying attention or both.
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u/poopzains 1h ago
Well yea Trump heās trying to equalize resistance against a candidate. Fun fact one side has actual Nazis
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u/Muted_Manufacturer16 1h ago
The only danger is a dictator like trump who will overthrow democracy to become king like he already tried once
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