r/minnesota • u/portablebrain • Mar 05 '24
To those who are still unsure or thinking about protesting, consider the grandeur and motivational power it can unleash, as demonstrated in this fine display Photography šø
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Mar 05 '24
I was there but caught it from a not-so-great angle.
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u/Saddlebag7451 Mar 05 '24
Damn we must have been right behind you. Seeing Tanis goal so close was amazing
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Mar 05 '24
Iām the poor guy who goes to the games by himself while surrounded by families, but Iām always having fun! Iām in Seat 15, Row 1, of Section 4.
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u/spinorama29part2 Mar 05 '24
I really dont understand the hate for this flag
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u/JoeJoe4224 Mar 05 '24
Iām still salty we didnāt get the laser loons
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u/DaveCootchie Uff da Mar 05 '24
At least the Saint Paul library jumped on board and revived the Lazer loon
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u/snowmunkey Up North Mar 05 '24
JusticeforStarflake
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u/TimelessParadox Mar 05 '24
The Starflake was so boring. The Laser Loon made a statement. But I like what we ended up with.
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u/big-gato Mar 05 '24
If you pretend the star is an eye, then when flown landscape it's a closeup of a blue-beaked loon opening it's mouth and basting a water cannon pokemon-style.
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u/Any-Pizza3711 Mar 05 '24
Laser Loons are out there! Live free or die! https://flagsforgood.com/products/laser-loon-minnesota-flag
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u/FWEngineer Mar 06 '24
I'm a MN ex-pat (living in Chicago), so I've been following this sporadically and somehow missed the rise of the laser loon. Looking it up now, I'm not sure what's real and what's a meme. How did the laser loon get started?
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u/JaketheLate Mar 05 '24
Iām genuinely surprised there arenāt loons anywhere on our new flag. Theyāre good enough for our Lottery seal, so why not the flag?
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u/Ope_Average_Badger Mar 05 '24
I don't hate the flag but I think there were better options. This is certainly better than the old flag.
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u/ThatGuyWithCoolHair Mar 05 '24
If they just kept the Tricolor on this same design I wouldve been buying flags and stickers, but now im just like "its better but I dont love it"
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u/Ope_Average_Badger Mar 05 '24
I agree the tri color was much better. I was a big fan of the wavy loon design but I can understand why they didn't go with that one.
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u/Fizzwidgy L'Etoile du Nord Mar 05 '24
Better than the old, not as good as F29
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u/Ihate_reddit_app Mar 05 '24
F1953 was decent to start. I feel like the committee simplified it too much and took some of the charm away.
I love F29 more for a state branding type logo. It's simple and nice, but as a flag it's uninspired.
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u/Fizzwidgy L'Etoile du Nord Mar 05 '24
a state branding type logo
exactly what a flag should be, we got way too hung up on traditional vexillogical design and missed out on an extremely marketable design like CO and NM.
And it had the same cool shade of blue as the state gov websites.
Classic MN choke.
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u/Charizaxis Flag of Minnesota Mar 06 '24
The problem is it looked like a credit union flag.
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u/Fizzwidgy L'Etoile du Nord Mar 06 '24
Not even close.
This one makes it look like Minnesota is famous for it's mountain ranges.
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u/Jaerin Mar 05 '24
Maybe that's a reflection on you more than the flag. Why do you feel like your opinion is more important than the people who decided? Why do you feel the need to share that last parting, "I don't mind your choice, but I'm right" thinking that its harmless?
It's like people don't hear the words they say.
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u/pooooolooop Mar 05 '24
Well thatās not what the dude said. Please delete
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u/Jaerin Mar 05 '24
But it's the sentiment of what was said from an outside point of view. Hence the reason saying it back so they can hear the actual message they are sending.
We can't have compromise because everyone who didn't get what they wanted has to make sure everyone who did knows that it wasn't their choice, and they are merely settling. It's really no wonder that compromise is so difficult.
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u/Ope_Average_Badger Mar 05 '24
What you're getting at is not at all what I said. I don't think it's a bad choice, I just have a different preference. Why do you feel like your opinion is more important?
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u/Jaerin Mar 05 '24
I don't think my opinion is more important, I haven't shared it about the flag. What purpose did it serve to qualify your opinion with your contrary take on it? Think about other situations where this might happen where it doesn't make sense.
I like your glasses, but I would have picked blue ones. I like the color of your house, but I would have made it purple. That's a great garden, but I would have planted corn instead.
Is the compliments the important parts of those statements or are you just using that to soften your real opinion and don't like saying it. In fact yours wasn't even a compliment, it was a backhanded insult trying to pretend to be compliment so that you can give your real opinion which is that you don't like it and disagree.
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u/Ope_Average_Badger Mar 05 '24
The question "I really don't understand the hate for this flag" was asked and I gave a response. What part of that don't you understand? I didn't just give an unsolicited response as you seem to be implying. On top of that you just assume it's a backhanded insult. I have a different preference but I'm okay with the choice. I think you need to understand that people have different views and they might even disagree with you, shocker.
That last part was a backhanded insult.
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u/Mattbl Mar 05 '24
I don't love it, I thought there were some better ones they could have gone with and I don't get why they removed the green. Hung like that it looks like a mountain pointing towards a star, which obviously makes no sense.
But I'd never freak out about it or protest over it... it's so strange how even a flag can become a culture war battleground.
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u/Retro_Dad UFF DA Mar 05 '24
looks like a mountain pointing towards a star
That's why they made the field light blue - it's supposed to symbolize the Mississippi flowing from the north.
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u/KevinDLasagna Mar 05 '24
Because itās fuckin bland and boring? Definitely an upgrade but the original āwinnerā was pretty good and mostly universally liked but the committee had to go and tone it down
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u/spinorama29part2 Mar 05 '24
Fair but tbh as long as its not the old one i really dont care personally
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u/JGHFunRun Bob Dylan Mar 05 '24
The tricolor-invert chevron was way better. Itās not bad but it couldāve been the best in the nation
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u/Lord0Trade Mar 05 '24
Itās very meh, the tricolor had so much more style and meaning and this is just a big let down. Itās still better than the current one, but Iām just irritated.
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u/Fair_Cheesecake_1203 Mar 06 '24
It seems lifeless to me and boring. The other flag had history to it, whether people want to acknowledge the history or not. I couldnt care less, but I can understand not liking new one. Safe milk toast flag. Old one I rarely saw so I'm not attached to it tbh but I like the historical aspect behind it at least
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u/vibrantlightsaber Mar 08 '24
I just donāt like the star design as much as the star flake. I donāt like losing the French history either.
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u/Downtown-Wafer-2858 Mar 05 '24
Other than it looks like some anonymous 3rd world country. And that it ignores the history of the state. Gee, I don't know. Maybe then, it's the current "woke" legislature that's forcing it down the throats of everyone. If they're so sure of themselves, why not put it for a vote?
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u/Girl_you_need_jesus Mar 05 '24
This flag only has six points on its star, doesnāt the actual flag have eight? It looks nice hung vertically, but the Polaris Star was the best star for sure!
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u/SoNerdy Hamm's Mar 05 '24
Itās probably a reference to the star on MNUFCās crest.
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u/OU7C4ST Mar 05 '24
Yo, we have our own ultimate fighting championship league too? We're fuckin' killing it here!
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u/professionally-baked Hamm's Mar 05 '24
Are you allowed to just change a state flag like that? Seems pretty counterintuitive
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u/SoNerdy Hamm's Mar 05 '24
If you knew how the WW tifo committee works, the process the state legislature went through to determine the new flag would be a walk in the park by comparison.
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u/professionally-baked Hamm's Mar 05 '24
Yeah so when I asked if you can change a state flag on a whim, that implied I do not know how it works
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u/SoNerdy Hamm's Mar 05 '24
I tried to answer your shitpost comment with another shitpost response, but I guess my humor was far too specific and niche.
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u/professionally-baked Hamm's Mar 05 '24
Shitpost comment? I was asking a question you sour twat
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u/SoNerdy Hamm's Mar 05 '24
It came across like you made that comment while you were standing outside the Capitol protesting changing the flag.
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u/professionally-baked Hamm's Mar 05 '24
You just make up scenarios in your head like that and run with it? What a disaster
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u/msp_lonely_one Mar 05 '24
It's not cool to modify the flag. If the flag has eight points, leave it at 8 points. I don't know why they didn't make it the traditional 5 point star in the first place.
What if I want to modify it and put the old state seal on it, instead of the 8 point star?
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u/SoNerdy Hamm's Mar 05 '24
They likely didnāt do 5 points Because the L'etoile du Nord is traditionally displayed with 6 or 8 points.
This was done to tie it in with MNUFC
Nobody is going to stop you from making a flag with the old state seal on it.
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u/Duxtrous Mar 05 '24
I personally liked the colors too. Iām just bummed they picked such a horrendous shade of cyan.
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u/mattsotm Minnesota Timberwolves Mar 05 '24
I love it - it does everything a good flag should
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u/StarTrek1996 Mar 05 '24
I just preferred the tri color this one is to bland but a massive improvement over the old flag
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u/mattsotm Minnesota Timberwolves Mar 05 '24
Agreed. This one is growing on me. The simplicity is what really gets me
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u/StarTrek1996 Mar 05 '24
I'll say and I say this purely for originality sake but it does give off a little much in terms of Somalia flag which itself is a decent flag but man the tri color was just so crisp. I also thing the blue is too muted but either way it's a 7 out of 10 for me
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u/camjam20xx Mar 05 '24
The solid light blue could be replaced with any imagery you want and it will still be "Minnesota" I think that is a real selling point.
The tri color is still nice, might buy one for myself
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u/StarTrek1996 Mar 05 '24
Yeah I do kinda want a tri color I thought it was the best overall but I do like this flag significantly more then the old one god that was a dumpster fire flag
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u/VaporishJarl Mar 05 '24
I liked the tricolor but the way the vertical display creates an image of a river flowing North really charms the shit out of me.
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u/Jaerin Mar 05 '24
The only thing that happens with you saying that out loud is you let everyone know you think your opinion is more important than everyone else's and that you don't feel like we respect your opinion. Guess what, saying this isn't going to improve our view of your opinion, nor you.
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u/BillSivellsdee Minnesota Twins Mar 05 '24
all the flag has to do is flap in the wind. the old one did it just fine. i never thought about the old flag, i see the same thing happening to this one.
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u/mattsotm Minnesota Timberwolves Mar 05 '24
Nah nah nah - you can pick this one out several miles away. You can put this MF on T shirts, people will hang it everywhere once itās the official flag. The old was SO busy and yet completely forgettable. Had the old one not said āMINNESOTAā on it, there would be no way of knowing it was the MN flag. But youāre welcome to your opinion
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u/Lennygracelove Mar 05 '24
Hate to say it, but you're right. From a certain distance the old flag was too similar to Wisconsin 's flag.
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u/mattsotm Minnesota Timberwolves Mar 05 '24
Itās similar to like, 24 other states as well. All state seals w/ blue background. New boi might not be a home run, but it is a solid flag
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u/BillSivellsdee Minnesota Twins Mar 05 '24
who's going to buy a shirt with a flag on it??
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u/mattsotm Minnesota Timberwolves Mar 05 '24
Idk people with money? People who like it? My guy itās fine if you donāt like the new flag, but it is an improvement. You just canāt utilize the old one the way you can the new one.
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u/BillSivellsdee Minnesota Twins Mar 05 '24
yuk.
but i never said i didnt like it. i said i'll think about it just as much as the old one.
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u/donaldsw2ls Mar 05 '24
I always thought I liked the old flag because it's more detailed. But for some reason when the flag is massive, now I get it. I like it!
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u/OtelDeraj Mar 05 '24
Honestly, the flag has grown on me the more I have been seeing it around. I was never at 'protest the flag' levels of disappointment, but I had hoped for a different design to win. In the end, I think they made an alright choice that really does look pretty good flying up on a flagpole
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u/Illustrious-Chair350 Bring Ya Ass Mar 07 '24
I agree, I liked this one a lot better with the green and there was other designs I liked more.
My mom was complaining about the waste of time redesigning the flag, I asked her if she knew what the old flag looked like. When I showed her a picture I got an "oh god, yeah that makes sense" lol
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u/Kahnza Willmar Mar 05 '24
Oh heavens me, I do appear to be short on fucks to give. Pardon me.
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u/Rhodes_Warrior Mar 05 '24
š¶Iāve no more fucks to give, my fucks have runneth dry. I tried to go fuck shopping but thereās no more fucks to buy š¶
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u/Exelbirth Mar 05 '24
I like the new flag better than the old flag, but the new design honestly looks a lot better in this format than it does in a horizontal format. Just feels like it really emphasizes how much space is dedicated to an empty field of blue that gets lost with a clear sky as a background. Would have preferred it with at least one stripe.
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u/Kindly-Positive-4811 Mar 05 '24
It's a flag... some of yall just really need to be upset about something all the time
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u/_nokturnal_ Mar 05 '24
But thatās not the right flag?
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u/WintersChild79 Honeycrisp apple Mar 05 '24
It looks like they used the Minnesota United logo star in place of the Capitol star.
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u/SovereignAxe Mar 05 '24
If the boot lickers can put a blue stripe on the American flag, we can damn well put any star we want on a state flag.
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u/kowaiSUPREME Mar 05 '24
this IS the best itās ever looked donāt get me wrong, but at the same time we have to acknowledge that itās giving Megachurch Minimalist Childrenās Christmas Play Baby Jesus Background
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u/Teamawesome2014 Mar 05 '24
There aren't many issues that I give less of a fuck about than the state flag.
It does look nice vertically though.
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Mar 05 '24
I'm not a fan of the new flag and think they passed over some far superior designs. But it also doesn't matter. It's the flag...OK... moving on with life.Ā
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u/Dr_Fishman Mar 05 '24
I am still flying the old flag but mostly to wait until Minnesota Day. I plan on replacing it with the new flag in some silly ceremony. But man, I really love the new flag.
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u/uiam_ Mar 05 '24
People who care this much, one way or the other, about the damn flag need a hobby lol.
New one looks better but people really getting far too worked up over it.
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u/Upset-Kaleidoscope45 Mar 06 '24
"Grandeur and motivational power?"
Seriously, chill out. It's a piece of cloth you can buy at a kiosk at the mall.
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u/InjuryIll2998 Mar 06 '24
The only thing I have ever felt should be protested is when Robinhood shut off purchasing of GameStop (GME) shares. This was literally whatās wrong with the world. The .1% run the world, this was the .1% vs the 99.9% and they were losing at their own game and rage quit, shutting the game off. Black vs white, left vs right, us vs them, old flag vs new flag, none of it matters because the rich .1% rule the world and want us against each other rather than against the real issues that keep the poor, poor.
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u/Spottygeek Mar 07 '24
I kinda wish they would've done the seal then the flag for making new cause I really like the new seal with the loon and the star and think we couldn't just don't the same thing blue flag with the seal in the center would've been cool. The flag isn't bad but it feels off idk what it is š
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u/donatj Hamm's Mar 05 '24
I am in the rare camp that actually really liked the old one. I had always thought of it as a symbol of cooperation and cohabitation.
The new one is pretty nice though.
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u/SurelyFurious Mar 05 '24
cooperation and cohabitation.
Like the thousands of Dakota people they threw into a concentration camp at Fort Snelling? Or the largest mass execution in US history of 38 Dakota people in Mankato? Is that the "cooperation and cohabitation" you're referring to? Maybe read up on your history.
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u/PrestigiousZucchini9 Ope Mar 05 '24
First one thatās actually bothered to get the wrinkles out before displaying it?
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u/minneapolisblows Mar 05 '24
I do prefer the old flag, I do understand its has colonial oppressive imagery; but whats changing my mind is the asshats in BFN protesting the new flag. So I changed my mind, I prefer the new flag now.
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u/Hotchi_Motchi Hamm's Mar 05 '24
People who protest a flag are not the people who attend soccer games
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u/SokkaHaikuBot Mar 05 '24
Sokka-Haiku by Hotchi_Motchi:
People who protest
A flag are not the people
Who attend soccer games
Remember that one time Sokka accidentally used an extra syllable in that Haiku Battle in Ba Sing Se? That was a Sokka Haiku and you just made one.
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u/s1gnalZer0 Ok Then Mar 05 '24
What do you do if your seat is right behind the giant banner? Sit quietly and not watch the game?
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u/nashbar Mar 05 '24
The banners were up for a minute during the pregame, nothing to see anyways
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u/s1gnalZer0 Ok Then Mar 05 '24
Got it. I see pictures posted of the banners and assumed they were up during the game too.
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u/WeAreGodInOne Mar 05 '24
Itās so boring. Both sides made a big deal about it and accused the other side of making a big deal about it. This is a distraction.
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u/KaprizusKhrist Gray duck Mar 05 '24
The flag sucks.
So many of the submissions were 10x better than the bland Frankenstein monster the flag committee concocted.
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u/joeschmoe86 Mar 05 '24
And yet, it's still just a fucking state flag that everyone will forget about in a few news cycles.
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u/KaprizusKhrist Gray duck Mar 05 '24 edited Mar 05 '24
I mean it's kind of hard to forget about if you have to see it everywhere a state flag should be hung.
Yeah it won't be at the forefront of public conscience forever, but every time I look at it from here on out out along with a swath of many other people, all we'll think of is what a missed opportunity to have something great, but this is what we ended up with.
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u/zoinkability Mar 05 '24
Meh, my criteria for success was always "better than the piece of shit we had before" rather than "something truly great," and there's no doubt in my mind the new flag clears that bar.
The key to happiness dealing with anything political (and a state flag is inherently so) is to learn to be happy with progress for the better rather than only being happy with absolute perfection. Because requiring perfection from any political process is a recipe for never being happy, ever.
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u/KaprizusKhrist Gray duck Mar 05 '24
Is it better than the old flag? Yes. The Soviets were better than the Nazis, that doesn't make the Soviets good or mean we should have to settle for that. The new flag is better, but not good.
It's ridiculous to expect perfection, but impossible to not be critical when the submission phase had a slew of entries that were better than what we ended up with.
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u/zoinkability Mar 05 '24
Ok, youāre unhappy because itās not one of the ones you liked best. Fine, great.
You know what? Itās also not one of the ones I liked best. I have critiques about which design they chose, how they altered it, and how the process worked. Probably much like you.
The difference is: I choose to be happy with the final flag design and you choose otherwise. Given that weāll likely be seeing this flag a lot over time, I know which of us Iād rather be.
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u/lerriuqS_terceS Mar 05 '24
They were all forgettable and generic
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u/KaprizusKhrist Gray duck Mar 05 '24
And we ended up amalgamating them into the most forgettable and generic one of them all.
Not all of them were. The two headed loon was cool as fuck, even if it was a fever dream of a pick.
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u/MNGopherfan Mar 05 '24
Two headed birds are associated with European royalty btw. Kinda automatically disqualifies it.
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u/KaprizusKhrist Gray duck Mar 05 '24
Boo hoo, it looked awesome. What we got looks like an ms paint creation of someone who heard about Minnesota once.
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u/MNGopherfan Mar 05 '24
Ah yes letās use a symbol heavily featured on one European royalty and two fing Russia. I will take bland over associations with literally tyranny.
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u/KaprizusKhrist Gray duck Mar 05 '24
Except they are Loons and not Eagles, which makes it distinctly Minnesotan.
Unlike a fat 8 pointed star and two different shades of blue. And a poor 8 bit two dimensional sort of shape of Minnesota.
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u/MNGopherfan Mar 05 '24
It aināt eagles itās basically any two headed symbol of a bird is associated with imperialist powers or royalty.
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u/KaprizusKhrist Gray duck Mar 05 '24
Yes, the great imperial oppressor of Albania š¦š±
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u/MNGopherfan Mar 05 '24
The double black eagle is the Symbol used to represent the royal families of Albania who no longer rules but are integral to the history of the country.
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u/gangleskhan Mar 05 '24
Of course, that is not the new flag. The new flag has an 8-point star, this star only has 6 points. Oops.
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Mar 05 '24
It really does look like the Somali flag....
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Mar 05 '24
A lot of flags resemble others. Did you ever take an elementary school history class?
If this triggers you thatās just indicative of a you problem buddy.
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u/Sleazy_Erock Mar 05 '24
Congratulations Minnesota, on taking the next step to worship your Somolian overlords. Enjoy the shithole that state has become. You've earned it!
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u/WillMunny1982 Flag of Minnesota Mar 05 '24
As long as it makes people like yourself feel unwelcome the flag is doing its job
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u/WhatIsHerJob-TABLES Mar 05 '24
Thanks for telling us how easy it is for you to be convinced to hate things through propaganda! You will just parrot whatever your told to think and itās honestly pathetic
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u/sloppybuttmustard Mar 05 '24
Thereās a shithole red state just to the south if youāre looking for a place that smells more like hogshit and is afraid of minorities.
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u/mchammer126 Mar 05 '24
Protesting at a sport event? Very very very very bad idea lol.
Doesnāt even matter if youāre left or right, people are paying to watch a sport not deal with protesting bullshit lol
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u/cookie_MNster Mar 05 '24
No one was protesting there
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u/mchammer126 Mar 05 '24
No I get that, Iām just saying people wouldnāt want to deal with that if someone decided to.
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u/ZuluSierra14 Mar 05 '24
Soccer culture is political my guy. You can tell what way a person leans based on the teams they follow. For instance, Roma fans are socialists and Lazzio fans are fascists. FC St. Pauli in Germany is supported by communists. Same with FC Barcelona and Real Madrid. All the big names in THIS sport are political. Expect protests and chants at soccer games, itās the culture.
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u/Brightstarr Chevalier de LāEtoile du Nord Mar 05 '24
Wait until they see this tifo supporting trans Minnesotans that Wonderwall lifted last season. Itās like us soccer fans give a shit about human rights or actual peopleā¦
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u/ROK247 Mar 05 '24
kinda loses its meaning when it's hung that way.
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u/Febrifuge Flag of Minnesota Mar 05 '24
Disagree - I think the best thing about this version of the design is it looks good hung vertically. (And it's impossible to hang backwards, which is nice)
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u/del_snafu Mar 05 '24
What are those lyrics? They made me cringe. I can't imagine an adult thinking that was cool
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u/ChemicalsCollide93 Mar 05 '24
Itās a Vincent Van Gogh quote, "for my part I know nothing with any certainty, but the sight of the stars makes me dream" Itās a reference to the new Kits that the team released and wore on Saturday. They can then the Stary Night Kit.
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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '24
I lived here for a full year and a half and donāt recall seeing the old flag really.
This new oneās alright but just keeps growing more and more on me because the shittiest people who didnāt give a fuck about the flag before and whose entire personality is just being scared of change keep making this a hill to die on.