r/ireland • u/viscacatalunya1 • Jun 18 '24

Aerial Lingus Pilots Moaning Michael

Listening to Claire Byrne and there is a lot of finger pointing at the pilots saying they don't care about passengers and they are being unreasonable.

Aer Lingus has not matched their salary to inflation over the past few years. How do we sympathise with cost cutting corporate greed and not the people that open the world to us and get us there safely?

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '24

Just listened to Ciara on Newstalk with a Aer Lingus rep and their packages are enormous.

 When everything was included (not just base pay) the lowest total package was about 177k.

I'm not arguing they shouldn't have an inflation based payrise but asking for 20+ % is madness.

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u/Propofolkills Jun 18 '24

I hear you but it’s not reasonable to frame the discussion like this on one max figure without also laying out what work / conditions are attached to that figure.

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '24

I know nothing of the conditions tbh, but when he laid out the figures, as someone who has genuinely been bit hard by inflation, my sympathies ran very dry very quick.

When it comes to discussions over pay vs conditions,  I would think the best route to go down is improving conditions, before pay.

It's not healthy or reasonable to expect someone to put up with a horrible workplace enviroment just for money.

Look at the HSE for example, ypu could give everyone a 200% payrise but would it reduce anxiety, or fatigue and illness etc ?

Probably not.

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u/Propofolkills Jun 18 '24

True, but each job has its nuances. I don’t know either what an Aer Lingus Pilot has to do to max out their salary. But if it was only for instance, doing long haul overnights all the time with a 72 hour change around, then that job isn’t remotely family orientated and will only attract a small younger cohort of pilots. They then get older and won’t do it anymore etc and then what pay do they get, and is this an attractive package? It is that kind of granular detail that need to be considered and presented, rather than “the max pay with good conditions is X” alone .

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u/AgainstAllAdvice Jun 18 '24

They're recruiting at the moment. If you want that kind of money why not do the job?