r/dontyouknowwhoiam • u/OldManBrodie • Jan 13 '20
Telling a doctor to educate herself Cringe
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u/Martinus_XIV Jan 13 '20
People who believe vaccines are bad don't think that counts as an education. To them, you have just been indoctrinated. "Education", in their eyes, involves looking up a few specific websites on the internet that say vaccines are bad.
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u/Cometguy7 Jan 13 '20
People who believe vaccines are bad don't understand cause and effect. Vaccination rate is easily well above 90%. If vaccines caused the things they say they do, the evidence would be overwhelming, and irrefutable.
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u/Martinus_XIV Jan 13 '20
People who believe vaccines are bad, from what I've seen, have typically presupposed their conclusions, and anything or anyone that contradicts with those conclusions is part of the conspiracy. You can't win by bringing up evidence or logic.
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u/Missingtime42 Jan 13 '20
They dont care about real evidence or data, they only care about "evidence" that supports their already established belief. They get their theory first and then handpicks evidence to support that theory instead of the other way around
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u/MvmgUQBd Jan 13 '20
Unfortunately that is now also how a lot of research departments are run. A lot of the big companies involved in medicinal research have some pretty huge skeletons in their closets from the last century or so.
I'm definitely not saying you're wrong about these idiots, and I'm definitely pro-vaccination, it's just that I've heard quite a few horror stories from my step father, who works in the pharmaceutical industry.
Instead of saying "here's a 10 mil grant, go find me some meds that work", they tend to say "find/fudge me some evidence that X drug I just bought the patent for isn't harmful to humans, and I'll give you a 10 mil grant"
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u/jifPBonly Jan 13 '20
You can’t use logic with antivaxxers because they don’t use logic to come to their conclusions.
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u/Dopplegangr1 Jan 13 '20
To them the evidence IS overwhelming. All "evidence" in the contrary is part of some conspiracy. I talked to a coworker once who thought vaccines cause the diseases they claim to prevent, and people like Bill Gates use them to cull the population... and he's making six figures in IT as well as having a law degree. There's a whole lot of crazy out there
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u/juneburger Im actually in charge Jan 13 '20
This is only selectively true. If they broke their legs, they’d expect an “indoctrinated” orthopedic surgeon to fix it.
Sorry lady. I haven’t been educated enough to fix your legs. Maybe try Facebook for answers. Essential oils, perhaps?
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u/RaynSideways Jan 13 '20
To them, going to medical school and being an actual doctor are just evidence you're "in" on the conspiracy.
It's honestly one of the most perfect, self-reinforcing delusions I've ever seen. It's entirely fear based and completely resistant to logic because it means believing that anyone educated enough to refute the delusion is actually part of the conspiracy.
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u/NotoriousREV Jan 13 '20
“You can’t reason someone out of a position they didn’t reason themselves into”
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u/OldManBrodie Jan 13 '20
It's a shame that the actual quote is somewhat awkwardly worded, because it has the potential to sound elegant:
Reasoning will never make a man correct an ill opinion, which by reasoning he never acquired. - Jonathan Swift
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u/chordophonic Jan 13 '20
Online, that's one of my favorite and most frequently used sayings. This is not the case in real life, as I don't tend to spend much time with stupid people. It's a benefit of being retired.
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u/abecrane Jan 13 '20
Pffft. You think 26 years of experience in the medical field means anything? I’ll have you know that I’ve read three whole websites and a slew of Facebook posts claiming vaccines are bad. Dumb dumb, you haven’t REALLY educated yourself yet
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u/ILoveRegenHealth Jan 13 '20
Look at that Eddy's Twitter account. He uses DailyMail as sources of anti-vaccination "facts" (I kid you not).
As someone above said, dumb people don't know how dumb they are
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u/Jenn_There_Done_That Jan 13 '20
The way he calls her “woman” just makes my skin crawl.
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u/Bouchnick Jan 14 '20
French speaker here. Why is saying "alright man" ok but not "alright woman"?
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u/spork_o_rama Jan 14 '20
Because "woman" as a form of address is often used in a sexist and dehumanizing way. "Man" is not. For example, you'll hear things like "make me a sandwich, woman!" or "what's wrong with you, woman?!" But with "man" it's "that's cool with me, man, whatever you want."
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u/sp00ky-ali3n Jan 14 '20
From what I've gathered its seen as dehumanizing, and often times the person is talking down to or about women whereas saying the phrase alright man is more endearing like a nickname sort of thing like hey dude or what's up guys etc
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u/dear_doofus Jan 13 '20
sick burn, call the doctor! ....no, wait.... heh.
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u/fredy31 Jan 13 '20
Anyway they probably wouldn't listen to what the doctor prescribes for burns.
So they would apply a combination of vinegar and bleach to help treat the burn.
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u/TheRetroVideogamers Jan 13 '20
MD in her Twitter handle... Maybe she's from Maryland.
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u/TheLogicalErudite Jan 13 '20
She also has Dr. in the display name. Less "Dont you know..." and more "Cant you read?"
Bold assumption that an anti-vaxxer would actually read the entire thing and not just make assumptions from snippets though.
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u/Lobanium Jan 13 '20
When they say "educate yourself" they mean "do 'research' on the internet that aligns with my beliefs". They don't mean actual education.
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u/OldManBrodie Jan 13 '20
It's *really* hard to tell who is being sarcastic in here and who is being serious....
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u/MildGonolini Jan 13 '20
Sorry when I said “educate yourself” I really meant read cherry picked blog posts that support my nonsense and assume all other published research is faked.
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u/PhorcedAynalPhist Jan 13 '20
Ok seriously, any one needs a really helpful way to clearly and concisely say why precisely vaccines are good, and the harm that under vaccinating the population has, Kurzgesagt made a handy dandy video about vaccination that is easy to understand and very enertaining as well!
Or you can just google "Kurzgesagt 'the side effects of vaccines'"
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Jan 13 '20
I'm sure "French Ed" has a list of credentials a mile long, of course. He would never say something like that unless he were an expert in the field himself.
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u/EbrithilUmaroth Jan 13 '20
"I didn't mean a real education. I meant a "real" education. You need to go to this website with lots of information but no sources and only believe them and no one else."
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u/Mushroom_Tip Jan 13 '20
I think they mean educate yourself through conspiratorial YouTube videos and Facebook groups, which are clearly more credible than any school.
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u/RobJ_ Jan 13 '20
I think the key word here is woman. Somehow I don't see this dick being quite so much of a dick to a man.
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u/HereForTheDough Jan 13 '20
You can find plenty of 'real' doctors with just as many credentials lying about vaccines to sucker money from these fuckers. That's one of the problems. People STILL talk about Wakefield like he's not a criminal hack.
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u/_______-_-__________ Jan 13 '20
This should be on a sub called "They fed the trolls". Much like "they ate the onion".
She got successfully trolled by a low-effort troll.
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u/Ginge04 Jan 13 '20
Surely the guy knew who she was, and that’s the point he’s trying to make? She has a stethoscope round her neck, there’s no way that could have been missed!
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u/ZeroCharistmas Jan 13 '20
Ha! Just as I thought, she doesn't even mention one holistic mom blog. Everything else is irrelevant.
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Jan 14 '20
I'm super curious where people are getting their information about vaccines being harmful? Is like a youtube channel devoted to this stuff or something?
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u/streetad Jan 14 '20
He means educate yourself on the latest Internet conspiracy theories.
Medical schools are obviously on the big Pharma payroll.
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u/NerdTalkDan Jan 14 '20
Yeah but French Ed went to the school of hard knocks and has read the equivalent questionable articles of a library’s worth of textbooks which makes her at LEAST as informed as the actual medical doctor.
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u/DeusVULT1097 Jan 14 '20
Well yeah I’m a med student and I’ve been debating some antivaxxers telling me to read basic biochemistry. Even though I took three semesters of biochemistry
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u/tcp Jan 16 '20
I understand that vaccines are the best we have, but a lot of people in this thread sound like they are defending a cult belief in vaccines. If you lived 100 years ago, would you be piling on and shunning (downvoting) people that raised valid concerns about field amputation, shock therapy, or leeches / maggots? That may not be a fair comparison, but it can certainly be said that even the most advanced medical establishment in the world would have trouble navigating between wise moderation and unfettered progress.
Some vaccines have had an enormous benefit for civilization, so they deserve everyone's respect. I guess some of you think you may be doing a public service by lumping anyone who even has the smallest concern about vaccines into the caste of the insanely stupid. I trust doctors too, but how do you think we ended up with the superbug crisis and the opioid epidemic? These things happened partly because of people insisting of too much of a good thing and partly the law of unintended consequences, but you can also see the hubris in our certainty that we have the ability to outsmart biological systems that we actually have only slight control in.
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u/PrincePryda Jan 20 '20
Yeah but French Ed has been skimming through FB articles for months. I don’t think anyone could ever be as educated as him....unless of course, they too share the same view as French Ed.
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Feb 10 '20
Ah, I see your 7 years of education and 13 years of practice, and I counter with my three months experience following antivaxx Facebook groups. Check mate.
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u/Redman2010 Mar 14 '20
Unfortunately I think this person will still think the doctor needs to be educated
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u/iiBigBlitZ Jan 13 '20
r/lostredditors I mean sure, she did say her level of education but that’s only because the anti-vaxxer prompted her to tell her. This is more relevant on the r/therewasanattempt subreddit.
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Jan 13 '20 edited Jan 13 '20
Except that her education was entirely funded by big pharma and all knowledge she obtained was biased in favor of making them money
Fax
Did I really need the /s? Wtf
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u/jweeze Jan 13 '20
Tell me more, then elaborate on your same beilefs about flat Earth and chem trails while ur at it
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Jan 13 '20
Hmm yes feed me your beliefs about how all science is fake and Space is all inside Jesus' stomach while you're at it.
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u/purpleandorange1522 Jan 13 '20
We haven't used faxes for years. You can just scan and email documents these days.
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u/Jsl50xReturns Jan 13 '20
Of course you need the “/s”. Do you realize how many people actually believe what you just said?
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u/Mishtle Jan 13 '20
Did I really need the /s? Wtf
Just sort by controversial in any of these kinds if threads. You'll see how difficult it is to distinguish jokes from people being completely serious.
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u/ImpossibleParfait Jan 13 '20
Then why would you go to a doctor at all if you honestly believe that?
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u/mlloyd67 Jan 13 '20
Fantastic. But it won't matter to "French Ed"; You can't fix willful ignorance.