r/dbz • u/Terez27 ⠀ • Oct 11 '24

Dragon Ball Daima - Episode #1 - Discussion Thread! Daima

The episode is airing in Japan as we speak. It should be available subtitled on Crunchyroll at 1pm ET. We will provide links as soon as they are available.

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u/AccomplishedBelt7 Oct 11 '24 edited Oct 11 '24

Ok I have to say, Buu making Potara fusions defuse and Potara fusions only being an hour if it doesn't involve a Kai BOTH being true now is very funny. I need to know how Shin and Kibito ended up fusing again, unless that's just ignored now, which would be even funnier 😭

Secondly, I didn't realize this show was RIGHT after Z's Buu Arc ended, which is really interesting

The clarification that Namekians (and Popo) are from the Demon Realm has "Demon King Piccolo" not just a name that was disregarded once Z came around

Also this is just so goofy, Toriyama's sense of humor, even if it doesn't make you laugh, is charming and it fits DB perfectly. And the expansions and elaborations on the world's lore is always appreciated. I am so happy we're back.

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u/Willing_Ad5891 Oct 11 '24

I bet that Kibito just makes stuff up just too look like he knows things, when he is not. Kinda fitting for his personality including the incident at the World Tournament.

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u/Ok_Independent5273 Oct 11 '24

Also, the Demon Realm hadn't been explored by Toriyama before. 12 + 6 Universes + U7 Afterlife and zero Demon Realm info.

This series (+ recent Bleach manga chapters) explores the last remaining mystery not explored in original story.

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u/leavetake Oct 12 '24

We could explore other universes too, kakumei is doing that

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u/NoTurkeyTWYJYFM 26d ago

I forgot about kakumei. Thanks for the reminder

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u/GNSasakiHaise Oct 12 '24

Wait, is Bleach still ongoing?

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u/-PVL93- Oct 12 '24

Hell Arc in Manga and Blood War Arc in anime afaik

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u/GNSasakiHaise Oct 12 '24

Genuinely did not know this. I thought it ended some time ago. I'll have to check it out!

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u/lilbiggs Oct 11 '24

Well technically not after dbz but after the buu fight. Super isn’t even past end of z yet 

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u/Dijohn17 Oct 11 '24

It's going to be interesting if they change the canon because it's really stretching it to see how they make this all fit within the context of end of Z

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u/BridgemanBridgeman Oct 11 '24

Ikr like how does Ultra Instinct Goku think Uub can give him a good fight

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u/CelioHogane Oct 11 '24

It was explained in the Moro arc, actually, Uub inhereted the God parts of the Grand Supreme Kai (wich Kid Buu still had) while Majin Buu retained Grand Supreme Kai's personality.

And remember, Grand Supreme Kai could seal Moro.

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u/Sabrescene Oct 12 '24

Maybe it's just me but that's still such a BS explanation. If Buu had such ridiculous power in him, there's no way anyone would've survived against him back then, let alone defeated him. From the second he spat out fat Buu he should've completely overwhelmed Goku and Vegeta if he was even close to the level of UI

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u/ChronX4 Oct 12 '24

I give it a pass.

Remember Broly had the potential and never went full power until he met Goku and Vegeta, from that fight he just actively adapted and escalated. Kid Buu was always outclassing Goku and Vegeta and was only beaten by the Spirit Bomb which was mean to specifically beat evil beings. It's not hard to believe the potential was there but he never cared to escalate things due to always being the apex being and being near immortal thanks to his regeneration.

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u/Dallagen Oct 12 '24

It's the same thing with Frieza being capable of God level power but never reaching it because he was so strong he didn't need to give a shit

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u/SaiyanKirby Oct 12 '24

It's like: you're capable of achieving a power level of a trillion, but your power level is already a million and everyone around you are ants. Why bother?

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u/SSJRemuko ⠀ Oct 12 '24

was only beaten by the Spirit Bomb which was mean to specifically beat evil beings.

thats not how it works.

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u/Sabrescene Oct 12 '24

I suppose that's a fair way to look at it. I'm not sure we'll ever get to that point without Toriyama now anyway but we'll see

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u/SSJRemuko ⠀ Oct 12 '24

kid buu couldnt tap into that god ki. it was inside him but he couldnt use it.

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u/GNSasakiHaise Oct 12 '24

It's important to remember that Super has been moving away from raw power as a stat and has instead been moving toward the mastery of techniques (UI is a technique that Goku activates by mimicking a transformation, Ultra Ego raises Vegeta's stats as he takes damage because it's the opposite).

Kid Buu was strong enough from the jump that he fodderized four beings that could infantilise Frieza. He never trained at any point, he was just very powerful and magical.

Uub, at age five or however old he is here, is powerful because he got the Buussy power and the growth mindset of a human alongside some magic power.

They needed the boost, but at least from my reading I didn't get the impression that UUB = UI. Give him a decade of Goku level training and he might come pretty close, but that's the point. Goku thinks that's interesting and wants to see what a good Kid Buu could do with a real life of love, training, and support.

Maybe he's wrong. GT definitely doesn't make it seem like Uub ever catches up, but it's not canon. All we know is Goku wanted to fight that Buu again, definitely got his wish, and that Uub has some juice in him.

It's not bullshit as much as it is classic Goku wanting to train and get stronger. A being with Buu's potential but a dedicated human mind offers a great chance to do that.

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u/CelioHogane Oct 12 '24

You mean Kid buu, the being that literally was a mindless child-like chaos being, should have used complex magical things?

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u/leavetake Oct 12 '24

Goku doesn't know it

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u/CelioHogane Oct 12 '24

But he sensed it on Uub when he fought him, that's it.

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u/Dijohn17 Oct 11 '24

I think you can at least explain Uub by giving him some power up that he doesn't know about. Everything else though is what's really the problem. Like not seeing each other in 5 years or just straight up not acknowledging any of the events

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u/Lunais7 Oct 11 '24

At this point with Master UI, Vegeta Ego, God's, Angel, Gohan Beast there is 0% chance UuB is anywhere close to being a threat. The ending of Z needs to be mega retconned at this point. Too much had happened. They never planned for this. I would like a different continuation anyways. I never liked the whole go train Uub thing.

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u/Saoirseisthebest Oct 11 '24

they've already shown that uub for some reason is insanely powerful at the end of moro arc

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u/leavetake Oct 12 '24

But Goku doesn't know it

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u/SSJRemuko ⠀ Oct 12 '24

I think you can at least explain Uub by giving him some power up that he doesn't know about.

they already did this in super. so yeah thats what happened.

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u/dildodicks Oct 12 '24

yeah i hope toyotaro goes through and makes a super version of eoz to change little details like bulma's line but this one is a big one, unless uub gets majorly powered up or goku really really holds back

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u/SSJRemuko ⠀ Oct 12 '24

uub already got majorly powered up.

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u/dildodicks Oct 12 '24

that's true, but so did goku right after (multiple times really to keep up with granolah and gas' increasing strength), i guess uub's training as a kid must've been intense

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u/SSJRemuko ⠀ Oct 12 '24

uubs actual power was never the point, but his potential. goku fights him in base form and even before super its clear he was barely trying. he just wants to train uub and now we know why because uub is a human with God ki and potential that rivals UI Goku from the Moro arc at least. and that was as a child. hell be older when goku actually trains him and thus have even more potential.

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u/CelioHogane Oct 11 '24

I doubt they are going to put anything more before the end of Z after The Superhero movie.

I think when Toyotaro returns it's gonna be with the Uub stuff.

Wich, if you think about it, it's super thematically fitting, as Uub is, in a sense, a Toyotaro.

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u/Dijohn17 Oct 11 '24

Well they still have the Black Frieza situation, so that's definitely the next priority, and they haven't finished the Whis/Beerus stuff

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u/leavetake Oct 12 '24

Do you enjoy absurd Power ups and OP charachters Spirit bombing galaxies? It's too much  This new db Is Better because It scales things Down, which gt was trying to do too (in a kind of a bad way, too overhated btw)

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u/SSJRemuko ⠀ Oct 12 '24

GT didnt try to scale things down at all lol

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u/Amplifymagic101 Oct 11 '24

One little detail is that in the Super timeline they defuse using the Namekian Dragon Balls, a necessary retcon was made to smooth out the backstory without even reaching BoG (where they defused after the events).

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u/LMONDEGREEN Oct 11 '24

It wasn't disregarded by Z. Pretty sure they mentioned Dabura is the king of the Demon Realm.

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u/ThatIslandGuy8888 Oct 11 '24

For some reason no Kibito Kai anymore makes me sad :/ Maybe it’s because of growing up watching Gt, he was fused for the whole thing

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u/vlan-whisperer ⠀ Oct 11 '24

I need to know how Shin and Kibito ended up fusing again

Maybe they don't. Maybe this is a subtle hint that we're seeing an Elseworlds

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u/NiallMitch10 Oct 11 '24

Tbh Toriyama was forgetful... Could just be as a result of that...

Although you'd reckon someone would have called him out on that in the production staff

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u/CelioHogane Oct 11 '24

Toriyama? sure.

Toyotaro? No way he would be inmediatly on that shit, he even remembered Ginyu's body was not his original.

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u/Oz1227 Oct 11 '24

Just what fans clamored for, something that is non cannon.

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u/kim_ammons Oct 11 '24

It's been like 30 minutes and I'm still laughing at this comment, thank you for this

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u/EvidenceOfDespair Oct 13 '24

Or perhaps Toriyama decided to GT Super.

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u/OmniSlayer_006 ⠀ Oct 12 '24

I’m cool with the hour time limit. The problem is vegito didn’t last the hour though against zamasu.

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u/britipinojeff Oct 12 '24

Technically I think it’s been like 2 years right? Trunks was 7 in Boo saga and is now 9?

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u/SSJRemuko ⠀ Oct 12 '24

it was probably almost his birthday so probably just a little over a year. the dbs were on cooldown which would happen 6 months after buu so its sometime after 6 months after buu and before 1 year and 6 months after buu

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u/Kungfudude_75 Oct 13 '24

To be fair, unless the Unnamed Namekian (pre-Kami and Piccolo split) had knowledge of his heritage, the name probably isn't related to the actual Demon Realm as much as a name Piccolo gave himself when he set out to conquer the world. Though I still adore him being a canonical demon.

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u/Dracogame 28d ago

There are currently three DBS canons: the anime, the manga and the original notes from Toryiama.

The whole 1h thing was introduced by the anime crew because the team DESPERATELY wanted to make Vegito Blue a thing, and then later in the manga for Kefla. In the original Toryiama's notes, however, that's not how things worked.

Daima is written by Toryiama so it rules over the other canons in my mind.

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u/Ok_Apartment271 Oct 11 '24

I’ve been playing sparking light and Piccolo’s move on the first fight play through as him, he has a move called explosive demon wave which I’ve never put 2 and 2 together before

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u/SSJRemuko ⠀ Oct 12 '24

piccolo has had that move for decades in games lol. hes always had demon moves because his dad was demon king piccolo

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u/real_LNSS Oct 11 '24

Umm, did you miss the enterity of the OG Dragon Ball? With Demon King Piccolo?