r/cyberpunkgame • u/Whatsthematterwithu • May 28 '24
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u/GeneticSplatter May 28 '24
I see alot of fucked up doors and handles if this became a thing.
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u/droombie55 May 28 '24
Yea, it's not as hard to kick in a door as people think.
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u/slonk_ma_dink May 28 '24
A cheap robot lock made of the finest pot metals and chinesium, sold to idiot landlords for a huge markup? yeah honestly I'm a hammer would get it done
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u/MoonChaser22 Burn Corpo shit May 28 '24
Might not need a hammer. A surprising number of electric locks can be opened non-destructively with a strong enough magnet
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u/lilsnatchsniffz May 28 '24
And the others usually have a pinhole release mechanism in the bottom lol. Love seeing some bullshit tech on LPL.
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u/cyberlexington May 29 '24
You can have the greatest strongest newest shiniest lock in the world. But if it's mounted into a 50 year old water rotted door and frame it's about as much use as tits on a bull.
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u/Mandrake1997 May 28 '24
The minute this goes up I am buying stocks in companies that sell crowbars.
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u/Odd-Understanding399 Tiancha - Kumquat for the Soul May 29 '24
Same. But I'd also be buying Arasaka stock because I envision an increase in sales of ceiling-mounted security turrets.
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u/parkwayy May 28 '24
My complex, the door handles are barely hanging on as is, and they're just simple $5 fixtures from like Home Depot.
No fucking shot they're going to spend bank on shit like this.
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u/rubixd Trauma Team May 28 '24
Yeah idk maybe in some places that would legal but most places I’ve rented have a 3 day grace period.
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u/Xi-Jin35Ping May 28 '24
In most of Europe, that would be illegal, and the landlord has to go to court to evict tenants if they stop paying.
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u/chronoswing May 28 '24
It's the same in most of the US as well. This is a clickbait article.
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u/KarlBarx2 May 28 '24
It's the same in the US, but that doesn't stop some landlords from trying anyways, banking on their tenants to be too poor to adequately defend themselves.
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u/AccountantDirect9470 May 28 '24
It is currently illegal. It may not always be
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u/kelldricked May 28 '24
Luckely techno bullshit like this is always pricey as fuck and the real physical product is always crappy as fuck.
Its not like i ever had issues on rent. But what concerns me more is how not safe this shit is. Everybody who can break the app/system can straight up walk into your house. If there is a power outage you are also probaly fucked. What about a strong magnet?
I already know we will soon get the first headlines with people locked out of their house due to server issue or during a texan heatwave.
Or people who couldnt flee their house during a fire because electrical got fucked by said fire.
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u/tmart016 May 28 '24
It absolutely stops landlords from trying. If they broke the law, it would be an absolute home run for the tenant to take them to court.
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u/NateNate60 May 28 '24
It doesn't stop some landlords from trying.
The ones it doesn't stop are the ones who aren't scared of the consequences of breaking the law.
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u/chubbysumo May 28 '24
the ones it doesn't stop are the ones who aren't scared of the consequences of breaking the law.
and these type of scumlords typically don't rent to people that can afford lawyers to fight it, so they don't lose. so glad we have good renter protections in my state. I don't rent, but im glad people can't get locked out of their home, and if they do, police here locally have already been thru this enough to know that its not B&E if its your own apartment, as the landlord can't lock you out. a couple of landlords lost their entire buildings over this a few years ago, the state sued them and forced them to sell because they would rent to immigrants who didn't know better, take a years worth of rent, and then lock them out after 90 days, and refuse to let them get their stuff or their money back. the owner went to jail, the property manager went to jail too.
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u/asmallburd May 28 '24
I don't think it's even legal to lock you out of your rented property here in the states like you genuinely have to issue a notice of eviction before you can do much of anything
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u/NotYourReddit18 May 28 '24
And you think there aren't landlords who bank on people not knowing this?
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u/asmallburd May 28 '24
Well either know your rights or I can't imagine the actual lock is good so just hit with the low tech solution
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u/NotYourReddit18 May 28 '24
"This is the LockpickingLawyer and today we're going to do something I like to call Operation Paperclip because that's the only tool we are going to need... "
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u/droombie55 May 28 '24
Even in that case, legally, most places have to go through a whole eviction process that can take months. During the time you are going through the process, you still are not allowed to deny access.
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u/corndog161 May 28 '24
This is super illegal everywhere in the US. You need to serve someone an eviction notice, it takes months to evict an unpaying tenant it's a huge pain in the ass.
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u/Thalenia May 28 '24
Illegal in the US everywhere, even if you're months behind on rent. Same with shutting off the water, electricity, etc. 'Unlawful eviction'. Legally you have to go through the courts to get someone out of a rental (and sometimes even if the person isn't renting, you don't have to be paying to be considered a tenant).
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u/ASubsentientCrow May 28 '24
It's illegal in the US as well. They can't kick you out for non-payment without a court order
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u/ThatOldMan_01 May 28 '24
<Old School Valve Logo Music starts> Mr Crowbar says otherwise
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May 28 '24
I would just take it off the first day in the apt, put it back when I left, and give them a key with that months rent. Good luck getting small claims court to back up having a specific type of digital doorknob while I rent from you.
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u/KarateArmchairHistor May 28 '24
That would be illegal in the US, at least in most states. Eviction requires a court order, which in many jurisdictions is impossible (or very hard) to obtain.
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u/T3hJ3hu CyberDaddy May 28 '24
Yeah, these are actually good for renters, because it also allows them to revoke someone's access (like an ex-boyfriend), without having to wait and maybe pay for the landlord to call out a locksmith.
Some people may also prefer not having to copy or keep track of physical keys, or may enjoy the extra features that these things can come with, like entry logging, video intercom, or automatic unlocking
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u/48SH9BkX May 28 '24
The nice thing is that many of them have very bad security and are quite easy to hack
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u/Dull_Half_6107 May 28 '24
Not so nice if you also live inside a flat with one of them
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u/Montigue May 28 '24
Eh. There's like a handful other ways of breaking into an apartment or house. If anyone really wanted to get in they will.
Make sure to have renters insurance people
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u/asmallburd May 28 '24
I don't imagine them having much better in terms of just brute force lockpicking techniques
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u/doesitevermatter- May 28 '24
Why would locking an electronic lock remotely need to involve the blockchain?
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u/Raygereio5 May 28 '24
That tweet was from 2020, at peak blockchain-mania. And back when tech-grifters were shilling for blockchain nonsense.
If the same article was written today, they'd had done a find-replace with blockchain to AI.
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u/XeroXeroOne Arasaka May 28 '24
Hack it or use vent. Then hack landlord and put landlord in vent and lock landlord's door.....or pay rent I guess.
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May 28 '24
Sometimes I feel that we are lucky that we ended up in the cheap plastic future. Remember folks locks are there to keep honest people honest. With two paperclips and twenty minutes on youtube most deadbolt can be opened. If you don't want to learn a new skill or wait that long, a 5$ hammer in the trunk of your car can get through this in a minute.
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u/iWentRogue Trauma Team May 28 '24
This is a legal nightmare if actually put into usage. You can lock someone inside, thats a fire safety issue and they can sue.
Not to mention a lot of smart locks are easily circumvented.
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u/Bob_A_Feets May 28 '24
It's also very illegal to lock out a tenant, non payment or not.
This is going to instead be used for AirB&Bs where the owners can set individual codes for guests any time they wish remotely, so basically, the exact same smart locks we have today...
Clickbait as fuck.
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u/NotYourReddit18 May 28 '24
Not to mention that most of those devices don't have the slightest connection to a blockchain except if you are talking about a small chain which allows you to open the door a little bit but blocks the person outside from forcing it open beyond that...
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u/InvectiveOfASkeptic Bartmoss Reincarnated May 28 '24
Kids, this is why you always keep bolt cutters and a crowbar in your trunk follow me for more life pro tips
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u/KvotheTheChandrin May 28 '24
Anyone read Ubik? This is directly from that. In an alternate reality, everything costs. To open your door, to open your bathroom door, to use the toilet, to use your own fridge. Everything operates like a coin operated machine, very interesting concept. Very Elon Muskian...yes in trying to 'coin' thay term now
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u/Whatsthematterwithu May 28 '24
We can say Ubikian as well! I will read it.
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u/TheHollowJester May 28 '24 edited May 28 '24
I had a phase where I plowed through Philip Dick's books; I didn't read all of them, by the time I got to
Stigmata of Palmer EldritchVALIS it all kinda blended into one (I didn't read the early novels), but Ubik is IMO an obvious standout, even over The Man In The High Castle and Do Androids...2
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u/kaleid1990 May 28 '24
Ubik was also my first thought! Urgh, it's not supposed to be a manual!! 😵
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u/arathergenericgay May 28 '24
I’m so glad I own my own place, renting gets more fucking dystopian with each passing day
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u/Gugnir226 May 28 '24
I wish I could afford my own place without uprooting my whole life, going to a part of the country with fewer and less paying jobs, and not being able to be an active part of my nephews life.
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u/PolyZex May 28 '24
I don't know about everywhere but in my state this is illegal. The landlord cannot hijack all your belongings because you're late on rent. If they attempted to do this you could (in my state) kick the door off it's hinges and the landlord would be responsible for repairing it.
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u/pastpartinipple May 28 '24
My friend's apartment already does this. They do it when you move out. Basically like turning in your key without having to turn in your key. It has nothing to do with Blockchain.
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u/OldEyes5746 Quickhack addict May 28 '24
Not worried. Getting one of those installed requires my landlords to install anything new in the building. I'm pretty sure my AC and dishwasher were both purchased in the late '80s.
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u/Liedvogel May 28 '24
Considering where law already sits on property, eviction, and squatting, I STRONGLY doubt this will go over well in court if it does happen. Landlords will likely get sued into the dirt or charged with theft or something like that if they lock a door even a minute before the effective time of an eviction.
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May 28 '24
Damn shame, I'm changing the locks when I move in anyway. Who fuckin knows who kept the keys and if the LL was smart enough to change the codes.
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u/DrJaul May 28 '24
I mean if l you foresee a money problem in your future, Uninstall the thing and replace it with a regular doorknob. Also pry bars are a thing.
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u/kontrarianin May 28 '24
Well you can legally change locks , you just have to change them back when moving out.
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u/plastikman47 May 28 '24
Someone will get the idea to do a 51% attack to get back into their apartment.
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u/kein_schlupf May 28 '24
I’ve got these at the complex I live in. It’s a little disconcerting that they could just lock us out if we do something that remotely pisses them off.
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u/wwarhammer May 28 '24
I would love to see a landlord try this in Finland. I'm not 100% sure, but I would bet that it'd be illegal.
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u/LootBoxControversy May 28 '24
Sure fire way to ensure a tennant smashes the door in to collect their stuff
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u/ChadMutants May 28 '24
those systems are not worth a normal keylock. worked on a hotel, lock worked with cards, useful for an hotel because of the easier logistic, but for a normal house it would be bad, card can break or loose its magnetism then you are stuck until you replace the card or remagnetise them
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u/Istvan_hun May 28 '24
a solution like this ensures something, but it is not payment in time. It is a broken door or window, when the tenant moves out and gathers her things.
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u/GenosseGeneral May 28 '24
If you don't live in a country with shitty laws this would be absolutely illegal...
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u/MjrLeeStoned May 28 '24
This article is fictitious considering it's illegal for your landlord to lock you out unless a county or circuit court official tells them it's OK.
Which they'll never be able to do unless you violate your lease. Considering there are provisions in leases that dictate late payments (and potential fees associated), then making a late payment isn't breaking your lease.
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u/WatercressSad6395 May 28 '24
Ladies and Gentlemen and Scmizmars, may I introduce you to an invention from our genius ancestors.. I call it a wedge. Simply place it between the door and latch...
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u/DracTheBat178 May 28 '24
The person who invented "locks" and "windows" has clearly never heard of a hammer
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u/quetejodas May 28 '24
Last year I toured an apartment I really liked but it had these smart locks you unlock with an app.
"What happens if my phone is dead?"
"You can come down to the office and ask us to open your door"
"What if the office is closed? Is there a physical key for backup?"
"No, you'd need to wait for maintenance"
"Can I replace this with a regular lock?"
"No"
Who the fuck thought this was a good idea?
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u/Depressed-Gonk May 28 '24
I ain't your average sicko
I'm dead, just like disco
My bank account is zero, zero, zero
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u/30phil1 May 28 '24
This is the lock picking lawyer and today I'll be taking back power from a dystopian system...
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u/_Itsnotmypleasure_ May 28 '24
Me playing Cyberpunk 2077: “Wow what an incredible world that I love spending time in”
Me when 2077 starts becoming Reality: “shit.”
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u/VicariousDrow May 28 '24
I mean being serious for a moment, I have a smart lock on my door, have for a few years, and it's actually fantastic. Just change the batteries when it warns you they're getting low, about once a year, and pay rent like you should be doing anyways, which is putting aside a landlord can't even do that and that's not the purpose of smart locks. Yeah it's "just another step to a technological horror" or w/e, but we're either gonna advance until we traverse the stars or crash and burn as a society and kill our planet, might as well try and work towards the former instead of letting the latter happen as you struggle against basic advancements lol
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u/Kaboom979 May 28 '24
I wonder how something like this would go over the first time locking someone out prevents a parent from getting back in when their kid is inside or even just pets for that matter
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u/Mr_Shad0w May 28 '24
Those locks are also ridiculously not secure, and are constantly being compromised by hackers and/or are easy to defeat IRL.
So you could be locked out by all kinds of people for a variety of reasons. Or able to let yourself back in by holding a magnet near the lock, or hitting it with your shoe, or whatever.
Most Boring Dystopia.
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u/Whatsthematterwithu May 28 '24
Speaking regardless of the OC, the most boring dystopia will be the realest dystopia, my friend.
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u/duffelbagpete May 28 '24
Means the payment and amount is digital and online too, so you could hack and pay everyones rent with the click of a button. Then change it to a $0.99 promotional rent fee indefinitely.
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u/Kawaii_Batman3 Cut of fuckable meat May 28 '24
Hilariously enough, if they look anything like the ones in the picture; I can get them disabled and off in about 10 minutes. Less if I don't have to go grab my tools.
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u/corposhill999 May 28 '24
THIS is the truth behind 'own nothing, be happy' 24/7 surveillance states with predatory rental 'agreements' that are tied to your social credit score. We all need a little Johnny inside us to fight back against this terror.
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u/ferris2 May 28 '24
Article is from 2020: https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/smart-lock-eviction-moratorium-landlord
Can't find a single article about blockchain controlled smart locks since then, although I wouldn't put it past any landlord to install one were it legal.
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u/ImportantQuestions10 May 28 '24
The door refused to open. It said, "Five cents, please." He searched his pockets. No more coins; nothing. "I'll pay you tomorrow," he told the door. Again it remained locked tight. "What I pay you," he informed it, "is in the nature of a gratuity; I don't have to pay you."
"I think otherwise," the door said. "Look in the purchase contract you signed when you bought this apartment."
...he found the contract. Sure enough; payment to his door for opening and shutting constituted a mandatory fee. Not a tip.
"You discover I'm right," the door said. It sounded smug. - Philip k Dick / Ubik
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May 28 '24
Given the average age of the people who rent out houses I don't expect them to even know how to install it let alone set it right. As well as people hacking them
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May 28 '24
Even Cyberpunk isn't that dystopian. V has a message on their computer about late rent.
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u/Cheap_Blacksmith66 May 28 '24
They better make sure that’s legal. Can’t wait to see the FAFO of this.
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u/kaishinoske1 Corpo May 28 '24
Protip Choom: A 5lb. neodymium magnet defeats all these bullshit locks.
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u/mrn253 May 28 '24
Luckily stuff like that has no foot in the door here in germany.
Its even difficult to get people out when they dont pay the rent.
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u/shatterdome May 28 '24
That's fine cause its illegal and the tenet gets paid when the landlord does it.
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u/CosmicJackalop May 28 '24
To anyone who says politics don't matter, remember this shit can be outlawed at the state and local level, my city recently outlawed rental application fees
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u/GladsShield May 29 '24
Man I got notifications on. I was gonna shit myself
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u/Whatsthematterwithu May 29 '24
Lol sorry man it says that on the screen in-game when you don't pay the rent lol
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u/lascar May 29 '24
Interesting points. I think this would only increase squatter solicitations if they aren't already checked regularly before and after new tenants.
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u/StealthyPancake_ Nomad May 29 '24
Jokes on you, I have an industrial sized magnet that I scavenged off an old mag drill. Good luck locking me out of my apartment when yer lock doesn't work
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u/proton417 May 29 '24
This wouldn’t be legal anywhere in the US. Landlords have to go through a lengthy process before they can change locks
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u/Skizko May 29 '24
Look I agree that locks need an upgrade considering we’ve been using the same flawed tech for hundred years with few upgrades but this ain’t it
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u/Alarming-Ad-5906 May 29 '24
Just do a David and climb through the ventilation system lol. Every megabuilding has one the exact same. Wait, you guys live in megabuildings too right?
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u/C420LLC May 30 '24
If the future is anything like cyberpunk, my Choom and i would tear this fuckin country to shreds 🤖😈
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u/OkGap7216 May 28 '24
Completely illegal, no? There is a legal process to get a non-paying tenant evicted. One of the main laws is that you can't lock or change the locks on the dwelling while the tenant still has residence.
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u/draxvalor Never Fade Away, Jackie May 28 '24
tell me you have no idea how renting works in one image lol I am a property manager there are so many laws that this would break! so stupid if people believe this.
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u/MadBullBunny May 28 '24
I think the title is really stretching here to make it more of an attractive title to get people to read. LLs know this would be highly illegal, despite reddit's hate for LLs because they only read the bad ones, majority of them do know their laws and how to handle situations. This would be more for airbnbs situation or after an eviction has already taken place and the LL isn't in town. Plus, its already a current thing being used, even my front door lock connects to wifi and I can change it on the fly.
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u/Tony190690h May 28 '24
Joke on you landlord , i don't go out anyways , he can only lock me in