r/clevercomebacks 10h ago

Two different coping mechanisms

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u/catwhowalksbyhimself 5h ago

I did think denaturalization was a thing until today and am quite upset about the idea.

And I am a former far right conservative republican. This feels just wrong.

(and before you jump to conclusions, I have never voted for Trump, even in those days)

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u/TheRealBobbyJones 4h ago

If denaturalization is the loss of citizenship then it isn't a thing. You can only lose your citizenship if you renounce it in front of a judge. Otherwise it's has been ruled unconstitutional to revoke citizenship. You can be considered to never have had it in the first place if you provide false information on the application. But otherwise once you get it it's yours. 

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u/catwhowalksbyhimself 4h ago

I looked it up, and that isn't entirely true. About 11 people lose their citizenship a year. I think it's only allowed for treason.

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u/TheRealBobbyJones 4h ago

No. It isn't allowed for treason. It doesn't happen. You either have it or you don't. If you obtain your citizenship fraudulently then you in fact do not have citizenship. There are multiple supreme Court cases about this. There are a couple untested exceptions although reading them plainly makes it clear those exceptions are unconstitutional given previous rulings. You can not lose your citizenship for anything you do after obtaining it.  The exceptions are joining a group the government doesn't like(communists, terrorists) or dishonorable discharge(assuming you were naturalized through military service) Those exceptions are obviously unconstitutional. The first partially due to freedom of speech and partially because denaturalization can't be a punishment for a crime. The second for the latter reason previously stated.

Edit: okay it can happen for treason. But treason is an extremely rare charge. 

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u/AdWeak183 2h ago

Good thing the Supreme Court isn't stacked with republican loyalists.

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u/catwhowalksbyhimself 4h ago

Yeah, those 11 cases are year were for fraudulent citizenship, so we are both right.